Posted on Dec 31, 2015
How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
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How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
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Heck he got off easy. I couldn't wear a cover in my own house. I am the proud son of a gunny. The only civilian to bury a sand flea. My father was yelling at me as a child. On a quarter bet. I leaned foward and knocked his beloved cover off his head. And that's all I got to say about that. Good thing it isn't the Marines of old or Mom would have gotten a good barking too
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
Andy Gibson First, thanks for responding, but I need for you to return to the original question at the top. The dynamic of this Question and post just changed based on a second eye witness from Facebook. I received Facebook confirmation from a civilian lady that witness the event as well (so it did indeed happen), but she said is that the "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold. Based on that the Junior Officer most likely could have avoided the whole situation by not saying anything at all. Sorry for the confusion, but there was some great feedback from a Leadership standpoint throughout the various discussions. My apologies Andy!
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Sounded like he needed a wake up call, and an attitude adjustment. He got both.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
SGT Isaac Aurelius First, thanks for responding, but I need for you to return to the original question at the top. The dynamic of this Question and post just changed based on a second eye witness from Facebook. I received Facebook confirmation from a civilian lady that witness the event as well (so it did indeed happen), but she said is that the "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold. Based on that the Junior Officer most likely could have avoided the whole situation by not saying anything at all. Sorry for the confusion, but there was some great feedback from a Leadership standpoint throughout the various discussions. My apologies Isaac!
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Oh hell yes!! Sgt Major got a fix in you breaking regulations he will hand your balks to you Mom or no Mom!! You are a Marine & you act like a Marine!! KP for a month after hitting the deck for awhile!!!
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
LCpl Jonathan Castellano First, thanks for responding, but I need for you to return to the original question at the top. The dynamic of this Question and post just changed based on a second eye witness from Facebook. I received Facebook confirmation from a civilian lady that witness the event as well (so it did indeed happen), but she said is that the "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold. Based on that the Junior Officer most likely could have avoided the whole situation by not saying anything at all. Sorry for the confusion, but there was some great feedback from a Leadership standpoint throughout the various discussions. My apologies Jonathan!
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That young man is in deep, first for wearing a cover indoors, then disrespecting a commissioned officer, and conduct unbecoming of a Marine. Mom just needs to back up.
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I am not a Marine but in the SC State Guard the soldier who put on his cover inside would be told to remove it unless he is heading out the door in which case we would deem that as proper.
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SPC Charles Batchelor
State militia have their own customs, most mirror the military but there are some differences. I know for LA, almost all the state guards (State Defense Forces or militia as opposed to State National Guard) are also state law enforcement officers, it's a requirement for their state job.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
PV2 (Join to see) He escorted both of them out because of the shouting match and exchange they were having. There was some defintie counseling going on outside the front entrance according to sources on the ground and the Sgt Maj was doing all the talking!
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