Posted on Dec 31, 2015
How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
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How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
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uh, yeah, I see A LOT of extra duty for BOTH marines here...I find it kind of funny that other marines hit the deck when the Sgt Major came forward, but I figure that's how marines are built...yeah, it definitely WAS handled correctly. I mean, how ELSE could it be handled? sounds to ME that this is/was THE BEST WAY. No, I'm NOT a marine...
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Sgt Michael Clifford
Remember one of the individuals was an officer. Not likely to be seeing any extra duty. It would depend on how the officer approached the young Marine. If he came on to him like the kid had committed a major crime or used offensive language when he first made comment which might provoke a similar response it is likely that the SgtMaj would have referred this to the officers commanding officer. The CO would then probably council the officer on his leadership skills. The young Marine was wrong from beginning to end.
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I believe I have the same answer I did the first time I saw this on my timeline. The Cpl was WAY out of line questioning the officer to start. The officer came in second in the WHAT were you thinking game. SgtMaj is always right, I mean, in this case, the SgtMaj was definitely justified. Grabbing by the collar isn't smacking him around, although mama may have been concerned, she should let her young man be one and take his little punishment. ....Although I never wore a cover indoors unless under arms, I would have apologized to the Lt and removed it.
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I believe the SgtMaj handled it and that should be the end of it. I was not there and have not been in the service for years. Yet I do notice more and more the lack of discipline coming from the younger generation.
This Marine was checking out. Therefore he was preparing to walk outside & more then likely carrying a bag. There are no defining lines on to when you remove it or put it on.... Lets all use some common sense here.
This Marine was checking out. Therefore he was preparing to walk outside & more then likely carrying a bag. There are no defining lines on to when you remove it or put it on.... Lets all use some common sense here.
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First the young Marine should not have had is cover on till exiting the building.... secondly the JO should have ID himself when someone asked and the SgtMaj is the badass that everyone knows not to mess with lmao
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Properly handled. Officer was correct in addressing the issue, but wrong in the method. Senior enlisted was walking a fine line with the officer but defused the situation. Junior enlisted should be disciplined under the UCMJ
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Wear your cover , where ever it is requared , according to rules and regulation.
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