Posted on Dec 31, 2015
How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
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How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
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What Would You Do
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Simply remind the Marine that covers are not worn indoors and to remove it. Then see what he does from there.
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The young Marine was wrong at having his cover on, than talking to the officer that way. But the officer could've handled it better. But like always senior enlisted always gets it done!
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LCpl Jonathan Beltz
COL Mikel J. Burroughs - one in the right. Lol. Think my computer cut off half that statement.
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Absolutely appropriate action on the SgtMaj. The Officer should never have gotten into a shouting match with a junior enlisted Marine, the officer should have at that time taken the young Matine into custody, what happens there is entirely up to the young Marines attitude.
Had I observed that, I would have done the same as the Sgt Maj. When MOM intervened, I would have told her she welcome to discuss her sons attitude and mud behavior with his Commanding officer, and if so desired be a witness at his possible NJP, or Counseling in the First Sgts office.
Had I observed that, I would have done the same as the Sgt Maj. When MOM intervened, I would have told her she welcome to discuss her sons attitude and mud behavior with his Commanding officer, and if so desired be a witness at his possible NJP, or Counseling in the First Sgts office.
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If in uniform, wearing a cover/hat indoors is an issue in all services. Out of uniform, the officer had no grounds as there is no written rule against it. Astor the reaction, the young Marine was totally out of line. Then again, so was the Sgt Maj for "roaring from the back of the store".
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If I remember correctly, the day we raised our right and and took that plane ride, we became property of that branch of service. So as far as I'm concerned he had it coming, and the military screwed up when they stopped treating service members this way.
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The young devil was absolutely wrong. You are a marine at all times, No matter who your with. He should have removed his cover, then asked the officer who he was if he felt the need to know. But do it respectfully. The officer was also wrong. He should have produced i.d. And presented it when first addressing the situation if he was in civilian attire. Both were wrong for the shouting match in the middle of the px. I commend the top for everything except snatching the young devil by his coller. If one gets office hours, all three should. Just put the young devil on shit detail for awhile. Have top chew out the officer's ass, because he is held to a higher standard And is supposed to know better. Then send top home with a thank you. Case closed. Btw, mommy can't save you in the corps! She needs to sit down. And shut up
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The Sgt. Major handled it right. Remove the offender. Then charge him for disrespecting a superior officer. And have the Officer be reprimended for creating a scene while civilians were present. But the young Marine is the greater offender.
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