Posted on Dec 31, 2015
How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
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How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
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I lived on base for 12 mo, then left... this is a common occurrence, I had to correct officers as well (parking in handicap spots). I now live off post in peace!
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I had a similar encounter, handled differently with a different outcome. The clinic at Pt. Mugu, CA had instructed the corpsman to enforce the uniform standards on our patients. Mainly removing covers not just because it was inside but a place where people have died. That morning as an E-4 corrected an E-2 who was heading to the audio booth. I saw him pass the commander of all three bases comprising Naval Base Ventura County complex who had his cover on. After respectfully requesting the CO to remove his cover and responding to his question why with a verbatim response from the regs with the addition of out of respect for the ill, injured and deceased. I was told to go on my way. Halfway back the my office the CO yelled my name and flipped shit on me. After that I went to our Officer in Charge who had tasked us that morning to enforce the standards. Needless to say he was not happy but after being joined by the pharmacy tech laughing her ass of about how I had handled it the base CO called. My OIC told him what squadrob I was with but suggested that he not tell anyone else on base that he was corrected by an E-4 who handled it correctly while he acted unbecoming. I love prior enlisted officers! P.S. The base CO had the pleasure of presenting me with an award a month later and didn't realize hwo I was till the photo. His look...priceless.
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Insubordination for sure. This so-called-Marine sounds to be a punk. The appropriate answer would have been...Yes Sir, sorry sir, won't happen again sir. Instead, this punk decides he is going to show off in front of his mom and lock horns with an officer. He has no respect.
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This fricking boot should have immediately been arrested by MP's for insubordination. Period. A Marine does NOT run his mouth at an Officer.
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.. This reminds me of a similar experience I had in Afghanistan.. Was assigned to the chow hall as an ID checker.. My only job was to check IDs and ask that people remover their head gear.. A special forces member walks in with his baseball cap on... In uniform.... And shows his ID but didn't remove his cap.. I was just a pfc.. I politely asked him to remove his cap.. Ignored.. I said it a bit loader thinking he didn't hear.. He turned and looked at me and told me that he didn't have to do shit I said.. At that point the Sgt Major in line behind him lost his shit.. Laid into this guy without hesitation.. Can't repeat everything he said but it came to a point of you will take it off or I will drag you outside and show you that you're not as special as you think.. Cap removed.. Scared the shit out of me.. Lol
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I've seen plenty of stupidity with regards to wearing a "cover". As an Airman serving on Army installations, I've made plenty of blunders. It was quite common at the time for basically any "ceiling" (indoors, hangars, awnings, etc.) to be no-hat areas......at least on Air Force installations. I was with a buddy, in uniform, with our berets (1C4's) tucked into our thigh pockets when we were stopped by a junior Army officer for not wearing the cover. We answered because we were under a "ceiling" and the officer told us something to the effect of, "not on this post".
No big deal...we simply put on our berets, saluted the officer (again) and carried on. He was respectful, we were respectful, and it wasn't a big deal.
Assuming everything in the OP was accurate, the issue wasn't wearing a cover indoors. The issue was terrible communication, pretty much all around. In my personal experience most all real problems between people tend to stem from poor communication.
No big deal...we simply put on our berets, saluted the officer (again) and carried on. He was respectful, we were respectful, and it wasn't a big deal.
Assuming everything in the OP was accurate, the issue wasn't wearing a cover indoors. The issue was terrible communication, pretty much all around. In my personal experience most all real problems between people tend to stem from poor communication.
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Was in the Army for the first 10 years of my career. Then 3 years Army Res. The next 20 were all Air Force Res. or Active, depending on conflict. The point is while in the Army I was jacked pretty good while stationed on Okinawa (The Rock) for entering a BX with my cover on. Never forgot it. While in the Air Force, you would see at least one person under cover in the PX. They were reminded and that was it. Different branches, different discipline.
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Was this a young Marine as in a junior service member or a junior Marine as in the program for children? Not sure why an adult Marine would have their mother there?
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
Sgt David Levy He was a young private apparently bringing his mother into the MCX during a visit I would presume, but definitely a serving Marine. I brought my parents into the PX many times when they came to visit me at Basic Training for my graduation and during their visit when I was stationed at Fort Old, CA back in 1976. That is not uncommon for soldiers or marines to bring their parents into the PX/BX/MCX etc. Based on what happened do you think the any of the individuals handled themselves correctly or could they have handled it differently from a leadership or military bearing standpoint?
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