Posted on Dec 31, 2015
How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
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How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
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The marine is hanging out with his mom that show he was probably off duty. The question is if he was off duty and hanging out with his mom, wouldn't he rather be in civvies? They both should have handled it better in front of families. The All mighty SgtMaj did it right. TO me it sounds like both the junior marine and the Lt were boots, and should get the boot of the year ribbon.
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the zero should have known you do not wear your cover indoors , however the service member should have been a bit more respectful
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The officer perhaps didn't go get the CSM to correct that marine because he couldn't correct that. It is highly possible he did it because he knows CSMs and 1Sgts usually have that rare technique of handling such situations.
My mama wouldn't have said anything except to agree with them handling the situation.
She would most likely remind me that the CSM or officer was my mamma for the moment.
My mama wouldn't have said anything except to agree with them handling the situation.
She would most likely remind me that the CSM or officer was my mamma for the moment.
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My father was a tank commander in the Army in the Korean conflict, my brother joined the Marines in 75 and was considered a Vietnam vet. However they both had enough respect and discipline to remove their cover indoors, today's recruits are wusses and need to learn their place. They are babied through basic and cannot learn their place in the ranks, just ask R.LEE Ermy.
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When I was in the Corps., we were taught to respect the rank even if you don't respect the man. The junior officer could have brought the Marine up on charges and the young man would have lost. The Sargent Major saved the young Marine a lot of trouble.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
Cpl John Moss Same for me back in 1975 when I joined the Army. Respect was ingrained from Day 1 - Its still a part of my character after all these years - thanks for your response!
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This sounds like one of those Marine Corps urban legends, like the private who gets office hours kicking over a trash can, flopping open his wallet, and yelling, "Beam me up, Scotty, I'm in a world of shit." There are all kinds of stories throughout the Corps like this.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
Cpl Frank Roberts It definitely isn't the norm Frank, but this crap happens periodically when you have the number of service men and women in uniform around the world and within the United States. That's why we have NCOs! Just my 2 cents!
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Reminds me of the time I walked up to a butter bar who was checking out the flight line and had his cover on - outdoors but in a no cover area near operational aircraft. I an Airman at the time politely said- "Excuse me Sir but would you please remove your cover etc." He yelled at me though I was giving him an order above my pay grade- So I walked slowly into my line shack and explained to a LT (capt for you non navy guys) 2 paygrades above the 2nd LT what had happenned. The LT said he would take care of it- I went about my business exiting the office at the end of line shack toward the center- the LT went out the opposite door to where the 2nd LT was standing to explain to him why a guy way above his paygrade has a standing order to remove your cover on the flight line. No shouting on my part lol
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I'm gonna start by using the term "military member" so no one gets offended. People keep calling him a "Junior Officer" does that even matter? The young Marine showed disrespect. Every service member has the right and responsibilitie to make a uniform correction regardless of rank as long as he/she is tactful. When I read the story I didn't see how the officer approached the SM in question. He should have removed the cover and that would have been the end of story. It bothers me to see anyone wear a cover inside even in civilian clothes but as far as I know there is nothing to say they can't except for manners.
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The young Marine should have followed protocol in the first place by not wearing cover in the MCX. When the officer approached him and asked him to remove the cover, he should have Identified himself and then proceeded to give the request. As far as the Sergeant Major, he should have pulled both of them to a place out of the way and spoke to them in a professional manner instead of just raising his voice and scaring the crap out of all of the civilians around the situation. The first at fault was the young marine, but leadership was jeopardized by both the officer and the Sergeant Major with their actions of, argument by the officer and losing his bearing by the Sergeant Major.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
SFC Kenneth G. Excellent points! Thanks for answering the question and sharing your perspective!
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