Posted on Dec 31, 2015
How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
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How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
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Young people do stupid things, but sometimes really dumb. I remember when I was a young SPC after my first 16 month deployment to Iraq, we returned to Germany and took our 30 day leave. Me and my wife and son (which was born 5 months in to my deployment) went to Casema Ederle in Vicenza in route to Camp Darby to the beach in Livorno and Rome. Of course back then I was young and stupid and decided not to shave for about 3 weeks in to my leave and went to the PX and a CSM asked me what unit I was with, and I told him. I told him I was on leave after 16 months Iraq deployment. His answer in a very high pitched, authoritative and condescending (never mind in front of my wife and kid an patrons): Go shave or GTFO of my post... Needless to I left the post... for years I thought that was messed up. Now as a Senior NCO, I still don't think it was right, but I can see that "when in rome..." Can't go to someone's house with muddy shoes... is a matter of respect.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
SFC Osvaldo Vazquez Thanks for sharing your experience with the group! Courage & Respect!
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
SGT JennyLee Challis Unfortunately, the mother was just as bad and couldn't keep her mouth shut for a minute!
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The jr officer should have thanked his brother and uncovered. I'm glad there was an NCO there to straighten the kids out in quick order. I spent a good portion of time babysitting butter bars. It ain't easy, but if you raise them right they become good officers the troops respect.
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He shouldn't of been wearing his cover in the building period. He knew it was wrong, he added insult to injury by trying to pass it off and got belligerent about it when someone approached him. He should have removed it promptly when called on it and just moved out. It sure would have saved chaos, imbarrasment, and heart ache.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
Cpl Dion Scott No duty belt and he was standing in the check out line with his Mother!
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Maybe I've been retired too long, but this is just bizarre to me. I don't think any soldier in my day would have made it through to checkout with his cover on, and would have thanked anyone pointing it out. I've seen really new junior officers "lose it" on a soldier, but a lower enlisted continuing an argument when they know they're wrong is just inconceivable to me. As far as the Sergeant Major, I'll never second guess his call for how to resolve something like that properly and expeditiously. I wouldn't want to be that young soldier standing in front of his commander the next day.
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