Posted on Dec 31, 2015
How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
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How should a situation in the MCX about wearing a cover in the building be handled properly?
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
NEITHER MYSELF OR MY WIFE ARE IN THE HABIT OF TELLING A LIE OR MAKING UP A STORY - IT HAPPENED! FOCUS ON THE QUESTION - NOT WETHER YOU BELIEVE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED OR NOT!
RP Members was this handled properly by the Junior Officer, SgtMaj, or the mother? What would you have done?
THIS WAS A REAL SITUATION THAT TOOK PLACE YESTERDAY 12/30/2015
CORRECTION: I've receive collaboration from another lady who also had firsthand knowledge of this incident in the MCX - "The "youth" was not an AD USMC, but part of a group of Young Marines. Her description of this group is that it is one for troubled youth to attempt to instill discipline and maybe bring them into the fold."
I apologize to all of those individuals that I stood firm on with, that it was young Marine Private (based on all the information I received), but the discussion, question, and feedback on how the situation was handled by the Junior Officer, Sgt Mgr, and Mother have been outstanding - that I don't apologize for - thanks
If anything, I thoroughly enjoyed the story and my wife called me at home immediately following the incident - she knew I would enjoy hearing about it. I just said, "that SgtMaj owns that young Marine!"
RP Members this one comes from the wife that works at Camp Pendleton, CA Marine Base in the MCX.
A young "Youth" Marine was in the check-out line with his mother and "CORRECTION" (put his cover on inside!) He was approached by a AD Marine (Junior Officer) and asked to remove the cover. Immediately the young "Youth" Marine took up the defensive and asked the junior officer "who the F*** are you?" The Junior Officer then got into the young "Youth" Marine's face and told him to have some respect and remove the cover - it escalated into a shouting match in the check-out line in the MCX. Coming from the back of the store there was a loud roar from a Sergeant Major in the Marines (built like a tank according to my wife). He bellowed, "both of you shut your mouth there are families in here!" The MCX went silent and several employees and Marines hit the deck (no kidding). The SgtMaj came to the front and grabbed the young "Youth" Marine the by collar escorting him and the Junior Officer out of the MCX with the Young "Youth" Marine's mother yelling, "don't touch my boy!"
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
SSgt Scotty Marks You are definitely entitled to your opinion Scotty, but I don't publish something that didn't happen. It's not how I operate. Now, let's set aside your opinion for a few moments and how should this incident been handled from a leadership standpoint? Thanks for your response in advance.
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SSgt Scotty Marks
The officer should have asked the knucklehead who he was with (unit/SNCOIC), and having his name on his blouse, written him up for insubordination/disobedience, and fried his ass to a crackly crunch.
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The guy with the cover gets office hours and NJP. If the officer was in civilian clothes, he should have just minded his own business...this was no big deal that required intervention. If he felt so compelled to handle this himself, he should have presented the offending party with his ID card, verbally identified himself by rank, and issued the order.
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SSgt Chuck “Gunz” Gundlach USMC Ret., MBA
You're definitely not a Marine, or come from Marine Corps Stock. This is his place, civilian clothes or in Uniform, and no, he should not have to show his ID. When you are on base, you should assume anyone and everyone is a fellow Marine or Marine Veteran and expect them to correct you on the spot if you are not abiding by code or regulations. The officer asked the Marine to take his cover off. The Marine should just have taken off his cover, thanked the gentleman for his attention and went on his way. That would have been a way to minimize the situation. But, hell no do you just let it go, sweep it under the rug…if you let this happen, where do you stop…this is not the Army, Navy, Air Force, National Guard, Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts…we take care of our own and correct our own. Once a Marine, Always a Marine. OohRah Ma'am.
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SCPO John-florida Killin
You can't justify jamming the guy up in front of a family member for something like this. It is nitpicking, and nitpicks are never successful leaders in the long run. These kinds of people tend to give themselves ulcers and get so preoccupied with trifles, they miss picking up on important issues, e.g., officers or NCOs showing too much interest in the new female PFC who just checked in, or the staff sergeant who is constantly borrowing money from subordinates and not paying it back. Another thing...poor leadership exists in all branches.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
CPT Jerry Bell Not sure what the absolutely is directed at in reference to the question. Thanks for the follow-up.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
Sgt (Join to see) Don't really care whether you believe it or not. First, I don't published lies or produce stories here on RP. I've got a lot more integrity than that. If you'd like to respond to the actual leadership issue and question that would be great - Thanks
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
Cpl Francis Meech Everyone here on RP is entitled to an opinion Francis, but let's get something straight I don't lie nor does my wife. Story is real and confirmed - get over it!
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PFC Jessi West
I always had to do pushups when I didn't take my cover off. Maybe pushups or corrective punishment.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
LCpl Christopher Dillon Unfortunately it did happen exactly as I've written it above. I would never published something that was hearsay Christopher. That's not my style. Marines are one of the most disciplined services that I know, but I've seen infractions across the board each every day that I'm on Camp Pendleton, CA. It happens and corrective action is taken immediately, and young men and women learn from their mistakes. Everyone is entitled to opinion on RP, but keep in mind that I don't make up stories - I've got a little more integrity than that after 37 years of service.
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
LT (Join to see) I take that as a personal insult to my wife and my integrity after serving for 37 years, but that is fine each individual is entitled to their opinon on the RP. I never post anything fake Amy. Sorry you feel that way! Now since we got that out of the way, put your leadership hat on and please answer the question: Was it handled properly?
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
CPL Mike Shiplet I would have to disagree with you on that. I've seen many instances both as an enlisted NCO and Commissioned Officer where these types of cover issues have happened. It's a big Army and it's a big military service out there and soldiers, airman, sailors, coast guard, and marines are human - they do make mistakes - that's why there is leadership, training, and discipline. That is my opinion Mike!
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Quick question...is a beanie also considered a cover? I like to work out with a beanie to trap heat from escaping my head so fast. Would that be breaking rules? Or does that not apply because I'll be wearing gym clothes.
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I seriously doubt this incident happened as described... uh uh, no way, not in MY Marine Corps...there is no way a Marine; squared away or shitbag, would walk into the exchange, shopping up and down the aisle, stand in line and make it to the checkout counter with his daggone cover on...NO WAY!
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COL Mikel J. Burroughs
Sgt Tammy Wallace Here we go again - the impossible happened in your Marine Corps - LOL!
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