Posted on Aug 7, 2017
How should someone handle a disrespectful PFC (as a SPC)?
59K
184
88
6
6
0
When I was in my first company, I had problems with a PFC in a different squad who thought it was perfectly fine to openly disrespect me even though I outranked him. I couldn't correct him, as his squad leader wasn't very fond of me and gladly let it happen. Now I've switched companies, but the same PFC continues to approach me with disrespect and threatens to get his leadership if I defend myself
Posted 8 y ago
Responses: 64
So let him get his leadership. You have a Junior Troop being openly disrespectful to a senior rank. If his leadership sticks behind that kind of behavior, then you've already identified an even bigger problem. Toxic leadership breeds future toxic leaders.
He is approaching you to start trouble, so sure, get his leadership involved. He needs to be put back in place.
He is approaching you to start trouble, so sure, get his leadership involved. He needs to be put back in place.
(54)
(0)
If their leadership is allowing this to happen then take YOUR leadership to them and their leadership. If it continues after that little pow wow, take it up the chain until you get it resolved. The worst thing you can do is nothing. This will fester until it takes over an entire unit. As the Bible says, "A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump."
(39)
(0)
Write that soldier up. And do it every time he does it. And if his squad leader attempts to sway your division in anyway then write him up as well. It is unbecoming of an NCO or Staff NCO to allow those under his command to be insubordinate to anyone of higher rank. But first your direct Chaim of Command to see if that resolves the issue. But no one can stop you from writing a subordinate up.
(27)
(0)
Cpl Thomas Kifer
Let me just add a note to my previous comment. Regardless of your rank, always try to present yourself as the next rank you hope to achieve. If your a LCpl, discipline yourself as a Cpl. an so on. Its not Eno GH to just achieve the necessary points or completing NCO school. You want to fit the part. And give the respect to your subordinates that you demand for yourself. No one can make a leader out of an individual that doesn't see him/herself as one.
(4)
(0)
SFC Christopher Taggart
That's what I would have recommended, but I just wanted to be PC about the whole thing.
(1)
(0)
Are you in a position of leadership? If the answer is no, chill out. Junior enlisted rank means practically nothing. For all I know, you came in as a SPC and are new to the unit, while that PFC could have a deployment. If you're a teamleader or you have a tasking and he plays that game then hem him up.
(8)
(0)
SGT (Join to see)
Even when I was in a Team Leader position for a brief time, this PFC showed no respect. I couldn't do anything to him as his Squad Leader was fiercely protective over his soldiers and has gone so far as to threaten other soldiers with physical harm if someone tried messing with them.
(1)
(0)
SGT Tony Clifford
The answer is your squadleader. If you were my team leader and I had another soldier disrespect you, I would have handled the young private. His squadleader leader and I would have had a conversation. Your squadleader failed this situation.
(0)
(0)
Personally you need to set him straight, Break foot off in his ass. His leadership is what's perpetrated this, now that you're no longer in the company talk to your leadership and let them you have a plan I'm not sure if you intend on staying in and becoming an NCO but if you plan on it handing this at your level will help separate you from your peers. Tell the kid to get fucked and pound sand, basically let him make the first move you have an inherent right to defend yourself but if you can handle it without resorting to violence great, if not then oh well stand tall before the man and accept the consequences, you'll also gain more respect afterwards. And if you're an infantryman just tell your leadership you want to take him to the pit with your NCO supervising it you got 30sec to get the issue out and dealt with. Not the most orthodox way of dealing with it by probably the most effective. Over all keep your chin up and make sure you do the right thing for you, understand there is the right thing for the situation and there is the right thing for you that will allow you to walk away with a level head.
(6)
(0)
SGT (Join to see)
Roger that. I took everyone's advice, including yours into consideration SGT and the issue is being resolved. I do plan on staying in, so I had to handle it in a way where his Squad Leader wouldn't try to get me on paper in retaliation.
(0)
(0)
Cpl Kifer hit the nail on the head. Just because the rank of E4 SPC is held does not prevent you from writing up lower enlisteds. But run the chain of command first.
(6)
(0)
Back in the day (late 1980s), there was "wall to wall discipline and treeline counseling".
(5)
(0)
Hell put it on the table. If it gets that far his leadership will go down with him. U.C.M.J. .
(5)
(0)
WALL-TO-WALL COUNSELING FM 22-102
You will find many helpful ideas about how to prepare and write NCOERs. We have gathered the links and put them on one webpage.
(4)
(0)
Firmly with soft gloves SPC Banks. Remember, you were a PFC before being promoted. Show him the way to salvation, remind him of the consequences of his actions, guide him back on track, but never lose your cool. Punishment and anger are not solutions to the problem. Keep calm; guide, coach and mentor.
(1)
(0)
Invite the little bastard to the gym, put the gloves on, and mop the floor with his ass!
(1)
(0)
NVM... I see you are 11B... I guess 10th Mnt. has just gone downhill since I was in it.
(1)
(0)
had a E2 do that to me, Top gave me 5 privates to do some menial 'make work' detail. I was a Spec4. He told me in no uncertain terms I wasnt a NCO and to take a flying leap. third time I told him to get to work he got more belligerent. Lo and behold Top came around the corner and heard him. He formally released us to our place of business. from what I heard he did that 'make work' detail 5 or 6 times under Tops supervision. we didnt do that parade rest stuff some type about, but that never happened again. had to write a statement on his e1 behalf. few weeks later he tried to burn the barracks down so he was gone anyway.
(1)
(0)
If it was a Marine I would first make on the spot corrections. If he proceeded to be belligerent and disrespectful I would give him two options. Either correct himself or we will do paperwork (I try to not do paperwork so that their career is not hindered). From then on it is easy. If he is not on one of yours then you will have to talk to his leadership to get paperwork started. Negative counseling's and whatnot. Usually a good ass chewing will correct a deficiency.
(1)
(0)
If you figure it out let me know. I have the same issue and even going up the chain I'm limited to what I can do.
(1)
(0)
A1C Ronald Harris
It was pretty much dog eat dog till you got that 3rd stripe for us. Those that signed for 6 got A1C right out of boot so it wasn't a TIG thing. If the first Sgt got involved it was just bad all the way around for everyone involved. Lots of fights in the barracks but we usually worked it out without sr nco involvement.
(0)
(0)
SFC Jim Ruether
I would go and explain to the Squad leader that you are having some problems with a PFC doing what he or she is told. That NCO should go down there and straighten things out if he doesn't then go above him. If that doesn't work call me and I will be glad to come down there and straighten him out once and for all.
(0)
(0)
SGT (Join to see)
SFC Jim Ruether - Have went to the NCO and the issue comes down to a she said she said BS game and unless I have physical proof of the occurrence not much I can do.
(0)
(0)
SFC Jim Ruether
Well then you are just going to have to wait until she does something in front of a witness or stage a situation where her mouth will get her in trouble in front of said witness. If that doesn't work steer clear of her as she sounds like trouble. Good Luck and thanks for serving our country!
(0)
(0)
Somebody didn’t like my post. it was taken down. Text me If anybody got it, you can answer me. I don’t start trouble, it hunts me but I am winning. Remember the pen and paper are your swords.
(0)
(0)
Be the first to report his disrespectful manner. Documentation is everything. Paper and pen or your Swords. Document everything because it could get physical and you may hurt him more than he hurts you. Then it would appear that you are the villain, but documentation will be your proof of innocent. I didn’t know to do that in my time and I became the villain. My case is a “Blaming the Victim” and the hatred came from my own defense attorneys, white racist men who had no accountability and answered to one. No pictures were taken and no report was filed for my account in my defense. I have been fighting for 41years and 10 months. I have been a veteran for going on 7 years still trying to get all that was taken for me.
Text to # [login to see]
Text to # [login to see]
(0)
(0)
Come on.. we know today's officer corps is absolutely not on board with good order and discipline and will be the last to back up any enlisted authority..
(0)
(0)
Read This Next