Posted on Jan 13, 2016
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There is so much about this that strikes me as "odd". It's impossible to imagine both craft having the same malfunction, at the same time...so if it truly was a failure of their navigation equipment, I'm pretty certain these Sailors could use other methods of getting into International Waters safely. If one craft became DIW, then yes, the other would've provided cover; Even then, it's pretty hard to imagine two such craft being painted into such a corner they would be forced out of any option but allowing themselves to be towed in and taken into custody. Yes, I'm sure the political and tactical realities would've precluded a hell for leather showdown...but there's definitely more to this than meets the eye.
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PO2 Jack Mitchell
PO2 Jack Mitchell
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If one vessel goes DIW it is the cover vessels duty to tow them it is SOP
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LTC Paul Labrador
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SGM, my guess is that a) they were outmanned and outgunned and b) were following ROE. If they were caught in Iranian waters, particularly if it truly was unintentional, they had no legal justification for resisting detainment without exacerbating an already tense situation. By resisting, they could have escalated what amounts to a law enforcement detainment into a shooting war.

Now, if they were in international waters and the same thing happened, it's a very different situation. Attempt at detainment in international waters could be considered an act of war.
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SGM David W. Carr  LOM, DMSM  MP SGT
SGM David W. Carr LOM, DMSM MP SGT
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LTC Paul Labrador Sir, the problem is we will probable never no the true answers. Back in the day if a vehicle breaks down you slap a tow bar or in combat you strip any useable parts and destroy it in place
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LTC Yinon Weiss
LTC Yinon Weiss
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MSgt Mike Mikulski - good questions. Also, it seems now it may not have been a mechanical problem but a huge navigation error?
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MCPO Roger Collins
MCPO Roger Collins
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LTC Yinon Weiss - Both small ships (I would contend boats) were equipped with GPS. Either the propulsion failure was true something was happening that may never be revealed.
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LTC Yinon Weiss
LTC Yinon Weiss
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MSgt Mike Mikulski - Last report I read was that they decided to take a "short cut" through Iranian waters. Nothing really adds up with this story.
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CWO2 Eric Peterson
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Simple; the Rule of Engagement (ROE) along with some other "standing" orders made it very clear to the crew not to engage the Iranians nor offer any resistance. We've been down this channel before back in the 1980's in Beirut with the "Don't shoot back" club. Marines standing guard posts without ammo for their weapons and strict orders that when fired upon, don't shoot back (not that they could, etc.) And of course we all know what happened to the Marine Barracks.
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SGM David W. Carr  LOM, DMSM  MP SGT
SGM David W. Carr LOM, DMSM MP SGT
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CWO2 Eric Peterson why can't we learn from our past failures
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CWO2 Eric Peterson
CWO2 Eric Peterson
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Politics, brother, politics...
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PO2 Jack Mitchell
PO2 Jack Mitchell
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CWO2 I so agree with you! The ROEs are what set these sailors up for failure. (And the ones wearing white socks hahaha)
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