Posted on Jun 5, 2023
How will the Army transition with transgender in open showers?
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I was doing field rotation that had open showers and had a thought about Transgender personell and how the be treated by other personell. I talked to a female an she said she upset if transwomen in her shower if they still had there male genitals. I asked a male the same thing and he said he wouldn't care. He said "If they identify as a man I will treat them like a man". How would you personally feel about this.
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ADMIN NOTE: Be respectful to other RP members who may be in the transgender community.
Posted 2 y ago
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I would assume that all branches would have a seperate shower or certain times that transgender Soldiers would utilize the showers. I mean who knows. Its tough
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I don't know, but the very first month I took company command a soldier in my unit came into my office and said, hello, I'm pre transition..............
The very next month we had a field exercise and the Battalion CO (the property book owner of the showers) was going to park herself in front of the showers to prevent everyone and anyone from going in there while the transgender soldier was in the shower. I'm sure COL's and GEN's would heed the LTC's career advice and just let the situation happen and move forward with the exercise. I agree, this is not a long term answer. This was the tip of the spear dealing with this new atmosphere.
DEERs is the final authority as far as I'm aware, and the soldier was originally female transitioning into male.
In this situation showers times would have been blocked off to get around the regs and a LTC was going to be the gate keeper to enforce actions that ensured a drama free career moving forward.
Realistically speaking the USAR officers (to include myself as the soldier in question company commander) attached to the potential CNN/MSNBC/FOX headline were just trying to get through the end of the day.
End result was Trump became president the solder hit ETS, and didn't reenlist, and was out before the field exercise. So everyone dodged a potential bullet.
The soldier, originally being female, and already having trouble passing the APFT as female with hormonal assistance wasn't looking to be in a good position when DEER's changed the gender to male when it came to the ACFT.
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Finally, we all know how long it takes ETS orders to be cut when USAR soldiers want out at the end of their contracts.
Welp.................. On a Monday, I submitted three ETS packets from my company command, and to include the transgender soldier in question. Orders were published and in my mil mail account the following Tuesday for the separation for all three of those packets.
The transgender soldier was in no way treated differently than any other soldier. However, all ETS packets were signed, approved and published lickity split that specific day.
The USAR is a very low bar performance wise, and we did lose a soldier that kept green across the board, showed up at the right time in the right uniform, and was always dependable to execute tasks that needed to be executed. They had numerous vehicles on their military driver's license so unit readiness and capability technically went down when they decided not to re-enlist.
The very next month we had a field exercise and the Battalion CO (the property book owner of the showers) was going to park herself in front of the showers to prevent everyone and anyone from going in there while the transgender soldier was in the shower. I'm sure COL's and GEN's would heed the LTC's career advice and just let the situation happen and move forward with the exercise. I agree, this is not a long term answer. This was the tip of the spear dealing with this new atmosphere.
DEERs is the final authority as far as I'm aware, and the soldier was originally female transitioning into male.
In this situation showers times would have been blocked off to get around the regs and a LTC was going to be the gate keeper to enforce actions that ensured a drama free career moving forward.
Realistically speaking the USAR officers (to include myself as the soldier in question company commander) attached to the potential CNN/MSNBC/FOX headline were just trying to get through the end of the day.
End result was Trump became president the solder hit ETS, and didn't reenlist, and was out before the field exercise. So everyone dodged a potential bullet.
The soldier, originally being female, and already having trouble passing the APFT as female with hormonal assistance wasn't looking to be in a good position when DEER's changed the gender to male when it came to the ACFT.
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Finally, we all know how long it takes ETS orders to be cut when USAR soldiers want out at the end of their contracts.
Welp.................. On a Monday, I submitted three ETS packets from my company command, and to include the transgender soldier in question. Orders were published and in my mil mail account the following Tuesday for the separation for all three of those packets.
The transgender soldier was in no way treated differently than any other soldier. However, all ETS packets were signed, approved and published lickity split that specific day.
The USAR is a very low bar performance wise, and we did lose a soldier that kept green across the board, showed up at the right time in the right uniform, and was always dependable to execute tasks that needed to be executed. They had numerous vehicles on their military driver's license so unit readiness and capability technically went down when they decided not to re-enlist.
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Unless things have changed field showers were frigging cold and no one stood around looking at anyone. You were lucky to have 3 minutes to shower. It boiled down to this: Get in there. Get wet. Then get out of my shower.
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They shouldn’t be in the military to begin with males females no damn transgender.
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Easy answer if the person in question has an Appendage then the shower with the men. Doing otherwise would disrupt the born female Armed services member. Or they just have open showers and Everyone showers together.
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Honestly, I don't think anyone having a pre-existing mental health condition should be allowed to serve in any capacity in any of our armed forces. Furthermore, I believe it's inherently wrong to allow these type of people in and burden the American people with paying for their transition. I know that when the rubber meets the road, I don't want anyone behind me full of meds and confused with a full magazine with a weapon capable of full auto. I need someone who can always have their head in the game at all times. And I don't care how advanced we think we've become, mixed showers, (male/female), is inherently a dangerous idea and just begs for trouble. Sexual crimes against both heterosexual, homosexual, and trans individuals will rise exponentially.
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Just know, I'm retired so what I say is just an opinion.
I feel if you have male sexual organs, you will shower and be housed with the males.
That would be the easiest resolution, and what I would've expected.
It's not discriminating, just common sense.
I feel if you have male sexual organs, you will shower and be housed with the males.
That would be the easiest resolution, and what I would've expected.
It's not discriminating, just common sense.
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I do thank God Almighty that this was not happening when I was in the U S Army.
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Whether one agrees or not, it’s all a Moot point after Jan 20th. Military will solely be warrior-focused again. DEI, CRT, woke, Marxism, BLM, racist and activist policies, disloyal statements online, ANTIFA, all will be gone. The plan of the incoming DOD is that trans personnel who served to standard will be respectfully given an honorable discharge and VA eligibility, but not for trans care, it is a preexisting condition.
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All I can say is I’m glad I’m retired. I don’t have to deal with this issue in any way, shape or form. I am extremely uncomfortable with this issue. If someone asks my opinion, I tell them that they don’t have the clearance for me to answer. I don’t use the local base gyms nor anything else on the base. I don’t know what all happened to my Marine Corps and Air Force but it ain’t the ones I served in. Is that good, bad or indifferent? Shucks, IDK. That’s for the current generation to figure out. Just hope them dang communists stay the heck away from us while they figure things out.
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It is a basic fact, and lawful that only a valid FEMALE may use female designated facilities (while females are present). Same for female focused regulations, specifications, standards. Any male must meet the Male criteria. It is essential to unit readiness, good order and conduct, most elements of "military".
There was a time when men were prosecuted for invading women's showers, barracks, ... why would it be OK now?
There was a time when men were prosecuted for invading women's showers, barracks, ... why would it be OK now?
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I am so glade, I am Retired and do not have to deal with that BS
Hopefully President Trump will Win, this election, and he will put a end to this insanity !
Hopefully President Trump will Win, this election, and he will put a end to this insanity !
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It will transition very easy. It will be like belly buttons, except that everyone will have a vagina. Some will gave innies and some will have outties.
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I feel sorry for most of you guys! Soldiers should not have to read or hear this crap. We used to have one mission and that was to defend and win this countries battles. Now you have diversity training???? I am old and glad I won’t have to live to see things degenerate much further than they already have. This woke nonsense will be the death nail to this country if we don’t start seeing some commonsense return to the command and staff. I am sorry if a few people in this country are confused about what sex they are, should be, or were born in the wrong body. That is not something the military should try to remedy, accommodate, or correct. Life is not fare and I am sorry if a few individuals do not fit into regular male or female rolls the military has to offer, but that’s not what taxpayers should be paying for. We should focus on what works the most efficiently and least burdensome for men and women serving. Scientific facts that show someone needs to be addressed as a different than assigned at birth pronoun; or it can cause mental distress; should be used as an automatic 4F designation (if they still use that classification for not eligible for military service). The mental anguish all this crap must be creating for a lot of soldiers could simply be avoided with a few short words. I think its about time that we adopt a “Thank you for volunteering but we do not have a position for you at this time” policy to make the most of the general population able to fill the needs of our military. Is this too much to ask? I fear so with the current administration and selected military leaders appointed to champion this unneeded burden.
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