Posted on Jun 5, 2023
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I was doing field rotation that had open showers and had a thought about Transgender personell and how the be treated by other personell. I talked to a female an she said she upset if transwomen in her shower if they still had there male genitals. I asked a male the same thing and he said he wouldn't care. He said "If they identify as a man I will treat them like a man". How would you personally feel about this.

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Well, Field Showers have limited water. Missions still have to get done. Rotational times with a set time limit could be one solution. But, no matter the solution, there is no fix currently that will satisfy everyone. There's always going to be one person that's unhappy. I'd just be happy to get a shower, especially if I've been without one for 30+ days.
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I feel you MSG. As a medical professional I would be concerned that some individuals (male or female) might not clean or rinse their "special parts" as well as they should out of embarrassment or self-consciousness. This will rapidly lead to an increase in legitimate sick-call and the occasional hospitalization.
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SFC Lyle Green
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With all this hoop laa going on here, I totally agree with you. when these hygiene issues are brough up, I always wonder about these what ever they are / people are the subject of medical issues, it was standard knowledge in VN about wading into water that was deeper that your waist to never pee in the water. Had a tiny little fish or ??? that was known as a "dickdarter" that when one would pee those suckers would go into your pee tube, impossible to remove without a surgeon, after 2-3 days an infection would set in, man would have to medevac'd by dustoff to hospital, (if possible), leeches attached to your "junk", pain was terrible to remove those things. Showers!!!??? Steel pot baths, water too filthy to walk in much less bathe. Took a bath in insect repellent daily, smell great after strolling through the jungle for a week or two in 100+ degrees, 95% humidity. Then if lucky get to a FSB or RON area when a lister bag of water could be brought in for a shower. You, as a medical professional, please tell me what would a want to be female or actual female with natural Parts or Manufactured Parts do in such conditions?
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Sgt Matthew Ota
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I think all of military installations should do away with communal or open showers. That would solve any issues.
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SGT Air Defense Radar Repairer
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Remember that there is no exception of privacy in the military. Never has been
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Are the branches of the U.S. military now "accepting" transgendered soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines? What about those who are transitioning? At what point are these transgendered?
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SMSgt Bob W.
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This is simple-install a shower curtain.
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they are and private lockable toilet stalls...
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SGT Keith Montoya
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If we'd just Starship Troopers and do co-ed showers, this would be a non-issue, except troops cannot even behave with separate showers and living quarters.
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SP5 Donna Barr
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Huh. If people are driven to the military for this surgery - perhaps the military (which, after all, supposedly protects and serves all Americans) would become involved in making sure any American who needs this surgery doesn't face prejudice or financial burden. While we're at it, assist health care, housing, and education for all Americans. So only those who truly want to join, do. And then if ALL Americans have this, so will veterans. And thumbs up to those saying "Suck it up soldier." Well, not that way. At least not in an occupied shower.
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SSG Brian G.
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Now you are bringing social test tube issues into the military. There are a couple of ways this can be treated. Basically a man or woman is exactly that. They can identify however they like. If they joined the military as a man or woman then they are treated as such until they have completed the transition to become what they identify as. If they don't like it, that is just this side of tough.

The second way is simple as well. You go into a shower etc to shower.. why are you bothering to look at what another person has or doesn't have under their clothing? Focus on the task which is you taking care of YOUR hygiene. Until such time as an issue ie harassment in the shower etc... it's not an issue.

The third is to treat it much like co-ed showering and either assign times or other such measures to segregate the "sexes" and again this will depend on if there is an actual problem.

Personally and professionally my job, my duty does not involve what a person has or doesn't have when they are showering. Why are you eyeballing someone else when you should be in there getting clean and getting out. I'll adapt what a Senior Drill told us a few hundred times. "If you can taste it you are taking too long." -> "If you have time to look around, you are taking too long." Get in, shower, rinse off, get out, Simple and as complex as that. If its anything more... the problem is you and not the person you are looking at.
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SGT E Co Squad Leader
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I am about to reenlist for the first time, and I frequently have conversations with civilians and family members who are curious how the military handles this issue. I always respond: a democratic nation’s military must be a representation of the nation’s society. No class or demographic should be excluded, and by allowing all to serve it helps military members better understand the citizens they protect. Even if they don’t make the cut for combat arms or deployment, their presence in the ranks and service in whatever capacity they are able adds value to the force by representing citizens like them.
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MSG Bennie McGrew
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I wrestle with the question. I believe every American should have the opportunity to serve, if qualified.
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SGT Wes King
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If they qualify should be the key. Every American is not qualified if they have social issues they should not qualify.
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MSG Bennie McGrew
MSG Bennie McGrew
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What disqualifying social issue are you referring to? Incarceration?
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SSG Brian G.
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SGT Wes King - There are exactly zero social issues that could or should DQ a person. Are you a US citizen? Do you pass the background checks, drug checks, medical evaluations? Did you pass basic and your MOS qualification training... then carry on. The rest are social test tube bullshit issues... the likes of which the military has had since near its formation... which basically amounts to the twatwaffle idiot that raised the stink usually being the problem in the first place.
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SFC Robert Walton
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Let me first say This is a opinionated question remember that before you start down voting and calling names. They will make it work always have always will. How they do it? I or no one else know that answer. However if it was up to me the answer would be you use the bathroom/ shower the identifies
with your Birth Certificate unless you have a Full Transition completed. I DO NOT care what you identify as but only what your body parts say you are. 2nd your not in there for a sight seeing tour you are there for personal Hygiene get it done and move on. If that doesn't work for you get to buckets and find some bushes.
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