Posted on Jun 5, 2023
How will the Army transition with transgender in open showers?
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I was doing field rotation that had open showers and had a thought about Transgender personell and how the be treated by other personell. I talked to a female an she said she upset if transwomen in her shower if they still had there male genitals. I asked a male the same thing and he said he wouldn't care. He said "If they identify as a man I will treat them like a man". How would you personally feel about this.
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Well, Field Showers have limited water. Missions still have to get done. Rotational times with a set time limit could be one solution. But, no matter the solution, there is no fix currently that will satisfy everyone. There's always going to be one person that's unhappy. I'd just be happy to get a shower, especially if I've been without one for 30+ days.
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CPT (Join to see)
I feel you MSG. As a medical professional I would be concerned that some individuals (male or female) might not clean or rinse their "special parts" as well as they should out of embarrassment or self-consciousness. This will rapidly lead to an increase in legitimate sick-call and the occasional hospitalization.
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SFC Lyle Green
With all this hoop laa going on here, I totally agree with you. when these hygiene issues are brough up, I always wonder about these what ever they are / people are the subject of medical issues, it was standard knowledge in VN about wading into water that was deeper that your waist to never pee in the water. Had a tiny little fish or ??? that was known as a "dickdarter" that when one would pee those suckers would go into your pee tube, impossible to remove without a surgeon, after 2-3 days an infection would set in, man would have to medevac'd by dustoff to hospital, (if possible), leeches attached to your "junk", pain was terrible to remove those things. Showers!!!??? Steel pot baths, water too filthy to walk in much less bathe. Took a bath in insect repellent daily, smell great after strolling through the jungle for a week or two in 100+ degrees, 95% humidity. Then if lucky get to a FSB or RON area when a lister bag of water could be brought in for a shower. You, as a medical professional, please tell me what would a want to be female or actual female with natural Parts or Manufactured Parts do in such conditions?
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Combined Information Data Network Exchange, or CIDNE, is a computer system used by the US military.[1] It is used to collect tactical information from troops.[2][3]
In 2010 US Army Private Chelsea Manning (then known as Bradley) was accused by the US government of giving out information from CIDNEI and CIDNEA (CIDNE Iraq and CIDNE Afghanistan) to people not entitled to receive it, in violation of various US laws (and, by inclusion, portions of the Uniform Code of Military Justice).[4][5] Numerous media have reported that these are the documents contained in WikiLeaks' publication of Afghan War documents and Iraq war documents.
This is Something I read on military social media. When I was a Civil Affairs Captain/O-3 my prior Auto Material Damage Collision Claims Insurance Adjuser/file handler experience working for Farmers and Mercury Insurance made me familiar with handling files and case/project Management. I was the CERP Civil Affairs Officer at Provincial Reconstruction Team Farah in Farah Province, Afghanistan. I handled cheap to expensive projects and I worked with an Army Reserve SSG/E6 who was a contractor by Trade. We would get ideas for projects/funding and review it with the base Navy Engineer. The base Commander had approval up to 25k USD. If it was over $25k to $100k, more bids and the US Army or Air Force Contracting Office in Kandahsr Airfield or Iraq ( If over $100k ) would get involved. We had to send out my SSG and the Navy O-4 Engineer to see the project and pay accordingly based on the amount % of work completed. We paid cash at first (we had a separate MSG who was the Pay Agent) All these Projects had a grid Coordinate and put in the CIDNE.
I hate PFC Manning since our data was read by the enemy and all those grids and projects fell in the hands of the Enemy. A drunk and depressed Transgender traitor killed hundreds or Thousands of innocent Afghans on Wikileaks.
CPT (Join to see) MAJ Montgomery Granger SGT Ruben Lozada CSM Darieus ZaGara Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth Cpl Vic Burk
In 2010 US Army Private Chelsea Manning (then known as Bradley) was accused by the US government of giving out information from CIDNEI and CIDNEA (CIDNE Iraq and CIDNE Afghanistan) to people not entitled to receive it, in violation of various US laws (and, by inclusion, portions of the Uniform Code of Military Justice).[4][5] Numerous media have reported that these are the documents contained in WikiLeaks' publication of Afghan War documents and Iraq war documents.
This is Something I read on military social media. When I was a Civil Affairs Captain/O-3 my prior Auto Material Damage Collision Claims Insurance Adjuser/file handler experience working for Farmers and Mercury Insurance made me familiar with handling files and case/project Management. I was the CERP Civil Affairs Officer at Provincial Reconstruction Team Farah in Farah Province, Afghanistan. I handled cheap to expensive projects and I worked with an Army Reserve SSG/E6 who was a contractor by Trade. We would get ideas for projects/funding and review it with the base Navy Engineer. The base Commander had approval up to 25k USD. If it was over $25k to $100k, more bids and the US Army or Air Force Contracting Office in Kandahsr Airfield or Iraq ( If over $100k ) would get involved. We had to send out my SSG and the Navy O-4 Engineer to see the project and pay accordingly based on the amount % of work completed. We paid cash at first (we had a separate MSG who was the Pay Agent) All these Projects had a grid Coordinate and put in the CIDNE.
I hate PFC Manning since our data was read by the enemy and all those grids and projects fell in the hands of the Enemy. A drunk and depressed Transgender traitor killed hundreds or Thousands of innocent Afghans on Wikileaks.
CPT (Join to see) MAJ Montgomery Granger SGT Ruben Lozada CSM Darieus ZaGara Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth Cpl Vic Burk
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SP5 Delphis Kaczowski
So your okay with Hegshof talking on an open cell phone line discussing war plans?????
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LTC Stephen Conway
SP5 Delphis Kaczowski No. But I do Object to Traitor PFC Manning getting a Commuted sentence. I still talk to one of my Afghan Terps in Facebook Messenger. He is being Hunted down by the Taliban. Manning may have been partially responsible for this guy and his family on the run to this day. CPT (Join to see) MAJ Montgomery Granger SGT Ruben Lozada CPL Larry Frias Jr CPL Larry Frias Jr CSM Darieus ZaGara COL Randall Cudworth COL Randall Cudworth Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth Cpl Vic Burk LTC Trent Klug
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They shouldn’t be in the military to begin with males females no damn transgender.
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SP5 Delphis Kaczowski
GOD did NOT say every baby would be born perfect and our Constitution says everyone is "EQUAL" in America regardless of appearances & actions. I guess your OK with fake "heel spurs" in men that can play 18 holes of golf being draft dodgers.
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Honestly, I don't think anyone having a pre-existing mental health condition should be allowed to serve in any capacity in any of our armed forces. Furthermore, I believe it's inherently wrong to allow these type of people in and burden the American people with paying for their transition. I know that when the rubber meets the road, I don't want anyone behind me full of meds and confused with a full magazine with a weapon capable of full auto. I need someone who can always have their head in the game at all times. And I don't care how advanced we think we've become, mixed showers, (male/female), is inherently a dangerous idea and just begs for trouble. Sexual crimes against both heterosexual, homosexual, and trans individuals will rise exponentially.
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SP5 Delphis Kaczowski
Your living in a dream world. In Nam we had gay soldiers in Headquarters, Medics, cooks, truck drivers, BUT NO HEEL SPUR MEN????? All Americans have equal rights here including in the Military. I suggest you attend a sermon next Sunday and look at the congregation in the building. Maybe you think that a gay Chaplin in the Army is a bad idea? The local draft board in war time takes anybody, except men with heel spurs that are called draft dodgers. I was a NON-Combatant Army Sp/5 medical specialist in the 8th Field Hospital in NahTrang, SVN (1964-1965) and I even worked with "Conscientious Objectors" (DOCTORS, Nurses, etc.) who also did NOT carry any weapons.
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SGT Daniel Myers
SP5 Delphis Kaczowski Of course we had gays in Nam during my time as well. My point obviously flew over your finite mind as you missed it completely. Thank you however for your liberal opinions
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I do thank God Almighty that this was not happening when I was in the U S Army.
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Huh. If people are driven to the military for this surgery - perhaps the military (which, after all, supposedly protects and serves all Americans) would become involved in making sure any American who needs this surgery doesn't face prejudice or financial burden. While we're at it, assist health care, housing, and education for all Americans. So only those who truly want to join, do. And then if ALL Americans have this, so will veterans. And thumbs up to those saying "Suck it up soldier." Well, not that way. At least not in an occupied shower.
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It's a mental issue that needs to be addressed outside the military.
The military is not a sounding board for this mental disease and ought not be forced to adjust policy due to political issues.
There is no similarities to this and racial integration. Period.
The military is not a sounding board for this mental disease and ought not be forced to adjust policy due to political issues.
There is no similarities to this and racial integration. Period.
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In Viet Nam we had our hooch maids come into the shower room where we were taking showers, and they weren't bothered. Military are usually able to adjust to just about anything, or any condition. When we had to use the showers where we used the Laudry and bath showers, everyone had their showers by gender and pay grade, with the officers seperate. There hould be no difference for Transgender.
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SPC William Szkromiuk
Vietnam a different culture. The peasant mothers would suckle their male sons penises to comfort them. So, yeah maybe they did not get bothered or cared. Or cared more about the money they got.
"everyone had their showers by gender"
Are you recommending a third or a possibly a fourth shower configuration to make everyone comfortable. Is that how the military has to adjust?
Oh wait what about non-binary? There you go make that five different showers.
As I said, I did not have to put up with this nonsense while serving and not too much more while while living.
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"everyone had their showers by gender"
Are you recommending a third or a possibly a fourth shower configuration to make everyone comfortable. Is that how the military has to adjust?
Oh wait what about non-binary? There you go make that five different showers.
As I said, I did not have to put up with this nonsense while serving and not too much more while while living.
Duty
Honor
Country!
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