Posted on Jul 15, 2021
How will Company Grade Article 15s influence your QMP selection?
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I am a SSG FA section chief and I have 6 years TIS I was notified of my selection for QMP process today. I have 2 NCOERs both were High Qualified so nothing bad there but I do have a company grade article 15 and am unsure how I was selected for QMP for this.
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An article 15 can trigger one but I have never heard of a company grade one triggering one. This would be from the action. When I read the regulation on it it just states an Article 15. So that would be it. The QMP board is pretty aggressive when selecting those that qualify. You just have to go through the process. They are not trying to separate those that benefit the Army.
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SSG (Join to see)
Thanks Sir, I called the contact listed in the memo or notification and she pretty much said the same thing, that it didn’t matter the level if the article 15 just the fact it was an adverse action /article 15 in general. Even with very good NCOERs and Deployments under my belt and Making E6 in 5 years she said i still have a 50/50 chance of being separated. I was confused on how a company grade could trigger that but now it makes sense. Unfortunate but makes sense.
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Since Company Grade Article 15s stay at the Company, you should be fine just for that. The rub is going to be where in your Rating Period did you get the Article 15. Current or past rating period? If it's the current, then it will depend on how the NCOER is written. Personally, I think you should be fine.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
The record of any Article 15 in the Army depends on the rank that the soldier at the time. If they are E-5 or over, it either goes on the restricted or Performance fiche. The reason that most NCO's would be given a Field Grade instead of a Company Grade is the inability to reduce the rank of anyone over E-4 at Company Level.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
Yes I was a SSG already when I received the Company Grade, My Unit is actually surprised themselves that I got pulled for QMP because they tried to keep the punishment as minimal as possible.
Yes I was a SSG already when I received the Company Grade, My Unit is actually surprised themselves that I got pulled for QMP because they tried to keep the punishment as minimal as possible.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
SSG (Join to see) - The current QMP is after my time as S-1, haven't tried to keep up on those rules. However, I would consider a Company Grade Article 15 for an E-5/E-6 a slap on the hand, so I would be surprised that it would initiate any adverse actions. Good Luck.
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How old is the Company grade and what it was for will impact the process. If your NCOERs are post the AR15 then the chances are less that you would be selected. If the AR15 is the most recent evaluation of your actions/performance there is a greater chance of selection.
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SSG (Join to see)
May of 2021 for the Article 15 Fraternization with a soldier in a different bridage, I was an E5 at the time of the occurrence then I made E6 in November of last year and an investigation followed shortly after that lead to the Article 15. my Annual NCOER was just submitted July this year.
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SGT (Join to see)
well that explains it, fraternization is a big deal in the army.
However during a quick google search I found a potential saving grace.
"Documents that can trigger a QMP screening must be based on performance or conduct that occurred during a Soldiers current grade. The Army does not reach back to events that occurred prior to the Soldier's most recent promotion."
Thats from an article by an Army lawyer from 2016, so maybe something has changed since then, but if it hasn't and he is correct then you shouldn't even be brought before QMP for this in the first place. Seek advice from your local legal assistance.
https://www.army.mil/article/178974/facing_the_qmp_what_to_do_if_you_have_been_identified
However during a quick google search I found a potential saving grace.
"Documents that can trigger a QMP screening must be based on performance or conduct that occurred during a Soldiers current grade. The Army does not reach back to events that occurred prior to the Soldier's most recent promotion."
Thats from an article by an Army lawyer from 2016, so maybe something has changed since then, but if it hasn't and he is correct then you shouldn't even be brought before QMP for this in the first place. Seek advice from your local legal assistance.
https://www.army.mil/article/178974/facing_the_qmp_what_to_do_if_you_have_been_identified
Facing the QMP: What to do if you have been identified
Being notified that you have been selected for separation under the Qualitative Management Program is an inherently stressful experience. It has the potential to affect every fabric of your life and make you feel overwhelmed if you have no idea how t...
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during a quick google search I found a potential saving grace.
"Documents that can trigger a QMP screening must be based on performance or conduct that occurred during a Soldiers current grade. The Army does not reach back to events that occurred prior to the Soldier's most recent promotion."
Thats from an article by an Army lawyer from 2016, so maybe something has changed since then, but if it hasn't and he is correct then you shouldn't even be brought before QMP for this in the first place. Seek advice from your local legal assistance.
https://www.army.mil/article/178974/facing_the_qmp_what_to_do_if_you_have_been_identified
"Documents that can trigger a QMP screening must be based on performance or conduct that occurred during a Soldiers current grade. The Army does not reach back to events that occurred prior to the Soldier's most recent promotion."
Thats from an article by an Army lawyer from 2016, so maybe something has changed since then, but if it hasn't and he is correct then you shouldn't even be brought before QMP for this in the first place. Seek advice from your local legal assistance.
https://www.army.mil/article/178974/facing_the_qmp_what_to_do_if_you_have_been_identified
Facing the QMP: What to do if you have been identified
Being notified that you have been selected for separation under the Qualitative Management Program is an inherently stressful experience. It has the potential to affect every fabric of your life and make you feel overwhelmed if you have no idea how t...
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https://mymilitarylawyers.com/practice-areas/army-qmp/ !!!! Maybe this will give you a little bit better insight of the QMP board! Good luck maybe it will not process through and go your way I guess my question really is why a QNP board with only six years of service they usually hold that later for your longer time in service E sixes or E sevens and above that cannot get promoted! Which I was 11 bang bang so I am unsure if that is the same for FA or not
The Army Qualitative Management Program
If you have been denied continued service by the Army Qualitative Management Program process, you have the option to appeal the QMP decision.
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A company grade Article 15 does not trigger a QMP. A negative NCOER with did not meet standards, a GOMOR, failed NCOES, and being directly referred by your Brigade Commander are reasons for triggering QMP. Your QMP notice will state the reason you were notified
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SGM Erik Marquez
"Eligibility Criteria
Q: Who is eligible for QMP consideration?
A: All NCOs in the rank of SSG through CSM who meet one or more of the following
criteria:
U.S. Army Human Resources Command (HRC) receives material from one of the
following categories for permanent filing in the Performance or Restricted folder of the
NCO’s Army Military Human Resource Record (AMHRR) (this material must be based
on performance or conduct in the Soldier’s current grade):
1. General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand (GOMOR). This includes
memorandums of reprimand issued by a general officer and those directed for filing in
the AMHRR by a general officer.
2. Conviction by Court-Martial or punishment under Article 15, UCMJ."
#2 above seems to imply punishment under Article 15, UCMJ. is reason for QMP review.
https://www.hrc.army.mil/asset/18007
Q: Who is eligible for QMP consideration?
A: All NCOs in the rank of SSG through CSM who meet one or more of the following
criteria:
U.S. Army Human Resources Command (HRC) receives material from one of the
following categories for permanent filing in the Performance or Restricted folder of the
NCO’s Army Military Human Resource Record (AMHRR) (this material must be based
on performance or conduct in the Soldier’s current grade):
1. General Officer Memorandum of Reprimand (GOMOR). This includes
memorandums of reprimand issued by a general officer and those directed for filing in
the AMHRR by a general officer.
2. Conviction by Court-Martial or punishment under Article 15, UCMJ."
#2 above seems to imply punishment under Article 15, UCMJ. is reason for QMP review.
https://www.hrc.army.mil/asset/18007
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SFC (Join to see)
SGM Erik Marquez that's correct, but that's only the overview. Each year QMP releases a MILPER outlining specific triggers. The one for Article 15 says field grade Article 15 while in the rank of SSG or above. I didn't read this years, but it stands to reason it hasn't changed.
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SGM Erik Marquez
SFC (Join to see) - thanks.
what i looked at was this years , but only the FAQ, not the message itself
what i looked at was this years , but only the FAQ, not the message itself
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