Posted on Jun 30, 2016
How will the military handle transgendered and APFT/AR 600-9?
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With the lifting of the ban on transgender service members openly serving, I have a serious question about the APFT standards as well as the Ht/Wt standards.
If a biological male SM declares himself to be a transgender (aka identifies as female) does that SM get to take the APFT based on the female standards for his(her) age?
And do the female standards for body fat percentage apply as well?
Has anyone really thought about the impact of this? How does this work? As an NCO, how do I score an APFT for this individual? Do I need a female NCO to tape this SM? How does SHARP adjust?
If a biological male SM declares himself to be a transgender (aka identifies as female) does that SM get to take the APFT based on the female standards for his(her) age?
And do the female standards for body fat percentage apply as well?
Has anyone really thought about the impact of this? How does this work? As an NCO, how do I score an APFT for this individual? Do I need a female NCO to tape this SM? How does SHARP adjust?
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https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/YH325PM addresses APFT issues, some of which are discussed in this thread. Have a look.
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Just because the ban has been lifted, it doesn't mean all the policies have been adjusted. This will take time and every service will come
out with their own policies. Be patient, it will work itself out. At the same time, I recommend that you engage your leadership and become part of the solution. Provide recommendations for policy changes that are inclusive and empowering.
out with their own policies. Be patient, it will work itself out. At the same time, I recommend that you engage your leadership and become part of the solution. Provide recommendations for policy changes that are inclusive and empowering.
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PFC George Hilbish
The solution is to impeach those in power that are destroying the values that made our country great.
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I would think that initially everything will stay the same, just like when same sex marriage was allowed they did not qualify for things like BAH. However, down the road I am sure they will make more changes to further accommodate these new challenges that our leaders now face. As a military police officer I had the same questions about searching a male suspect if he identified as a male, or if he accused me of sexually assaulting him because he was a homosexual. As for now, use your best judgement and treat them all the same as you always have. I would like to think that they will base it on their birth certificate and leave it at that. I served twelve years in the military and never came across a transgendered Soldier. Has anyone run into any?
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A male is still a male, even if he thinks he is a female trapped inside his male body....
Good Lord thank you I am retired....
Good Lord thank you I am retired....
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SFC Everett Oliver
Awe I hurt someones feelings for stating the truth as my parents and my religion taught me.... Too bad but there it is, I'm not changing for you....... BTW next time you want to go negative on me, at least have the common courtesy to say why...
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There is no need to discuss this. All of us know what should be the standards. What is upsetting is that as usual, a very few are effecting the majority and to the detriment to others. Even if one soldier is effected by this enitiative adversely, it's not worth it. If you are concerned about someone claiming to be transgender take them to the hospital because it is a mental disorder.
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