Posted on Jun 30, 2016
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With the lifting of the ban on transgender service members openly serving, I have a serious question about the APFT standards as well as the Ht/Wt standards.

If a biological male SM declares himself to be a transgender (aka identifies as female) does that SM get to take the APFT based on the female standards for his(her) age?
And do the female standards for body fat percentage apply as well?

Has anyone really thought about the impact of this? How does this work? As an NCO, how do I score an APFT for this individual? Do I need a female NCO to tape this SM? How does SHARP adjust?
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SGT Power Generation Equipment Repairer
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I see the Army having to eventually create a universal PT test not based on gender.
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MSgt Paul Kerckhoff
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Which barracks do they live in while going through basic? Which uniform do they wear? Were any of these questions thought of before making the change in policy?
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MSgt Paul Kerckhoff
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You would have thought that they would have a new reg already completed before they decided to make this big of a change. Kind of trying to figure out where the bomb is going to land after it has been dropped.
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SGT Laura Delgadillo
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The reg came out when the policy was announced. DoDI 1300.28
Trust me they have already gone over all of these questions in depth. They have been studying this for over a year.
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SPC Wheeled Vehicle Mechanic
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Don't think they should be allowed to serve personally, causes to many complications like this..
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SGT Tim Fridley
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I have no idea I do not think they thought this through before lifting the ban so once again the PC leaders are leading from behind.
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PVT William Bresch
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As a Bisexual male, who really cares. I know we are considered the caretakers of the LGBTQ community but, this is ridiculous. your going to have good and bad in every community and also the ones who decide they want to play games and see, what they can get away with. Honestly, you need to handle it on a case by case basis, just like straight people do. those who choose to play games, can be out to the side. those who choose not to play games, can follow the rules and move on. Yeah Surprise, I'm Bisexual and on your side.
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I think the psychological effect that it may have on a person knowing that this person is a transgender, I'm not a expert on this subject but the question will a transgender maintain the same standard as any other soldier is it has off or hands on.
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MSG Don Burt
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I really feel for you guys in this situ. The situ should not even be there and all commanders should hand it right back to the Secretary and make him answer the problem questions. If he can make the decision that impacts readiness, morale and effectiveness, then make him decide!
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SPC Ruth Duffer
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Nooooo !!!!
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SSG James Liska
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Ht/wt charts were developed as a general guide to the physical characteristics of a male or female. Most soldiers that work out need to be taped. Although body fat is measured and body fat is an indicator of health, ht/wt charts and taping are not used by the Army to determine physical fitness. "The pt test indicates general physical condition of the soldier's to the commander". Ht/wt charts are used to determine if a soldier will have general military appearance while in uniform. The rules for hair, jewlery and makeup are established. The ability to perform duty should be the primary consideration. PT Test: Until there is a policy change a male identifying as a female will get more points per rep and score higher, whereas a female identifying as a male will get less points per rep. Remind soldiers that they should " Max " the PT test. Scoring 100 points means that the points that another soldier gets is not an issue. Transgender is current policy. The best leaders will find a way to incorporate the policy while maintaining moral and high unit standards.
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