Posted on Jun 30, 2016
How will the military handle transgendered and APFT/AR 600-9?
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With the lifting of the ban on transgender service members openly serving, I have a serious question about the APFT standards as well as the Ht/Wt standards.
If a biological male SM declares himself to be a transgender (aka identifies as female) does that SM get to take the APFT based on the female standards for his(her) age?
And do the female standards for body fat percentage apply as well?
Has anyone really thought about the impact of this? How does this work? As an NCO, how do I score an APFT for this individual? Do I need a female NCO to tape this SM? How does SHARP adjust?
If a biological male SM declares himself to be a transgender (aka identifies as female) does that SM get to take the APFT based on the female standards for his(her) age?
And do the female standards for body fat percentage apply as well?
Has anyone really thought about the impact of this? How does this work? As an NCO, how do I score an APFT for this individual? Do I need a female NCO to tape this SM? How does SHARP adjust?
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One more comment''' Next year start electing more Vets to office period time for leadership to run from the front, not from the side
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Whata F---King Joke'' give me a break'' what about tsking care of the disabled vets here at home first before worrying about the transgender leadership
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I was asking the same questions when I saw the news release on this. They haven't figured it out yet but I imagine they will run into the same problems that colleges and athletic associations are currently facing in regards to transgender athletes. Should a genetic male who transitions to female complete on a female sports team and vice versa? I do not envy those tasked with figuring all this out...I personally think it would be an unfair advantage for a genetic male to test to female standards. I would like to see a revamp of the PT standards. I believe an APFT should be BIOLOGICAL gender/age based with the goal of identifying who is healthy and fit. I also believe there should be an array of physical soldier tasks that determines who is capable of doing what (i.e. can you load that artillery shell? Gender doesn't matter here.) I believe every MOS should have it's own physical standardized tests. If you can't pass it you cannot serve in that MOS.
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If a biological male declares himself as transgender, the scoring should be no different. The male is different that of a females. Body fat is the same way.
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The impact can already be seen in the civilian world. High school male transgender competes in female field and track and is far superior. MMA male transgender competes in female fighting and beats the crap out of female opponent. Its coming.
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As I understand it, a biological male SM cannot identify as female for just the PT test and height and weight & BF and identify as male for everything else. If a biological male SM wants to identify as female, it's all or nothing (housing, APFT, BF standards, uniform, ect)
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Good question. They should have to pt by what there actual sex is. Why they are being allowed is a different question
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Drop the requirement to have a "same gender" NCO do the tape test. An NCO should be professional enough to conduct themselves properly if that is a consideration. Or else they don't need to be an NCO.
I doubt the Army will do this, but if you have only one PT standard (say, the male APFT scale) all the PT questions would solve themselves. Ditto for questions on lifting the ban on females in certain MOS's. "A Soldier is a Soldier" - this idea would help decrease misogynistic bias in some males (just my opinion).
On the other hand, you probably couldn't ever get rid of the height/weight/tape standards.
I doubt the Army will do this, but if you have only one PT standard (say, the male APFT scale) all the PT questions would solve themselves. Ditto for questions on lifting the ban on females in certain MOS's. "A Soldier is a Soldier" - this idea would help decrease misogynistic bias in some males (just my opinion).
On the other hand, you probably couldn't ever get rid of the height/weight/tape standards.
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I am ancient and my views do not matter, but when face to face with the enemy, It will take the same physical fitness for you to win the battle, regardless of gender, age or MOS. One standard for all soldiers. I feel that we are all soldiers and if people want to integrate into what was once a mans world, then get in shape, get over your modesty hangups. There should only be one type latrine, individual stalls for private business, and as for urinalysis, oh well, you get supervised by what is available. We have a code of conduct and we should act accordingly.
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