Posted on Jan 3, 2016
MSgt Keith Hebert
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MAJ Rene De La Rosa
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I think this is going to be a future problem. People can pick up and leave whenever they get sick and tired of the military. It will be a rarity to find a twenty year woman or man; if they get fed up with the military one day, they could be out and about in one year. That knowledge base will be lost to the Army.
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MSgt Keith Hebert
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Very true
Always one redass away from walking away
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MAJ Rene De La Rosa
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MSG Keith Hebert, that is absolutely true. One minion / superior (with an air) opinion away from walking away.
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LTC Yinon Weiss
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If people are "sick and tired" of serving in the military, do you really want them in the ranks? Leave room for others who are still excited to serve. It will boost everyone's morale... those who no longer want to serve won't need to, and those that want to serve will see faster promotions.
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MAJ Rene De La Rosa
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MAJ Yinon Weiss, my point is that knowledge base will walk out the door. Yes, there will be continual complainers along the way, but we don't want to decimate the Army and leave it hollow like the late 1970s. We tend to have short memories about this time period, but everything that I have read about the situation showed a rather bleak time period. Do we want to return to that?
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This is going to damage heavily, an already beleaguered force.

The majority of leaders in the Guard and Reserve have at least one Active duty enlistment under their belts. They came over, in large part, because the points count toward a retirement rather than simply separating. They form the nucleus of their component.

We are losing people with 15+ years in and less than 20-while there is still the carrot of a retirement that they can start collecting in a couple of decades.
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LTC Yinon Weiss
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Edited 10 y ago
According to this Congressional Research Service white paper, there will not be drastic changes to the way the reserve component retirement system works, but the total payout could be a lot lower. The main change is a reduction of benefit calculation from 2.5% to 2% per year of service, which sounds to me like a 20% reduction in retirement. So active duty will retire at 40% instead of 50%, and reservists would see a similar 20% reduction of whatever they would get now upon retirement. This only applies however to those who enter service after Jan 1, 2018, if I'm reading it correctly (please comment if you can clarify otherwise).

"...the [current] reserve retirement system also accrues at the rate of 2.5% per “equivalent year” of qualifying service (explained below) at retirement eligibility for those who enter service prior to January 1, 2018, and 2.0% for those who enter on or after January 1, 2018."

See bottom of page 7: https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL34751.pdf

Also, it's not clear whether the reserve component branches will match 401k style savings.
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LTC Substitute Teacher
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Also will it allow for the match to exceed the Max that their civilian employer allows? I believe there is a pending bill on this issue.
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CW3 Valerie M.
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Thank you Sir for providing links for the discussion. Something to read up on.
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
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Math check: 20% reduction.
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LTC Yinon Weiss
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt - Good catch. Corrected above.
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How will the new retirement system affect the guard/reserve component?
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From my understanding(fair amount of reading of the bill) it will not affect any of us that are currently guard or reserves. The change will be based on your initial entry to the military not if you change branches. Even if you are IRR your counter is still active.

Now how it will affect people that get completely out and then try to join again after the new system goes into place...
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TSgt Senior Director Tech
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For your last question. I don't think it will matter. All entry dates in the military begin when you first came in. I have done three different services....AD, Reserves, and Guard, so all my time starts when I fist came in to count toward retirement.
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TSgt Cyber Systems Operations
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Correct, I was Active Navy before I was Air Guard. My Time in Service is counted to the time I joined up for the Navy.
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MSG Gerry Poe
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I have 20 plus between active and National Guard and from my annual statements in RPAM, we are retired on a point system. Not sure if that will be affected, but it is not a traditional AD retirement.
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MSgt Keith Hebert
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Same here
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CPT Senior Instructor
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I will be there soon. I am on Title 10 ADOS. I am hoping to get get 20 active years adventually.
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MSG Gerry Poe
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I've got some good points and will be getting some more staring in FEB going on 10% for our unit's vacation!
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MSgt Keith Hebert
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Even active duty is based on points
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I have been curious on how that will be also. If you go from different statuses. I know a lot people that bounce around from Guard to Reserve and back, even some who have bounced around different services.

It's a relevant question to know if you switch from Cat-A t IRR then back to a Cat A or B go from reserve to guard or another service, when you do a change in status does that throw you into the new system. Hopefully they grandfather your original entry date. Or else yeah we all going to be hosed!
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LTC Substitute Teacher
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It doesn"t matter if you bounce around. Its all one system regardless of branch of service (Coast Guard has a different pay center, but it still count the same and is added to any DOD service) The bottom line is that if you have 20 or more years of active federal military service, you retire on the active duty system; if less its under the reserve system (using points and waiting until 60). However the higher % time you are Active, the more points you get (365 or 366) for every year on AD)
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I believe .... there isn't anything in it that will affect the guard/reserve ....maybe the final calculation of the pension ... It didn't mention anything about reserve or guard.
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CAPT Kevin B.
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The Reserve retirement system has mostly been "there" since WWI. You don't get anything until 60 anyways. The question will be if you want to contribute some of your monthly bump into TSP. If there still is "matching", then it's a great investment. You'll want 2-3 retirement streams excluding Social Security if you want to stop everything but see the same income. So it is really a question of what are you doing to create those 2-3 streams? If Guard/Reserve isn't one you need or think is worth the hassle, then you excluded one option. You'll still need the 2-3 checks a month.
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MSgt Keith Hebert
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Believe it or I did that
Except TSP was not matching
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MAJ Program Technician
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Glad to hear I am on the right track sir, as of right now I have my RothIRA, working towards a Reserve pension, and I started contributing to the TSP. If I am lucky I will also have a civilian side retirement/pension.
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MSgt Logistics Planner
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The other possibility is that we misread the question and what was actually asked was "Does the new retirement system impact the Guard and Reserve Components? I have not heard how that will be updated."
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Speaking from a federal employee under a similar retirement system (FERS), and based on stories this took effect back in the 80's (CRCS). Corporate Anerica has followed suit as well and to be honest, it will only be a matter of time before it's widely accepted.
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