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I just had come off mission and was going back out in three hours he wanted me to shower up before I could eat I found out later he was a 1st LT but did not identify himself at the time was I right or wrong for forceably Removing his hand from my chest what say you RP freinds
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Well you are pretty sparse with the details. It was wrong for him to put his hands on you to begin with, but then you say you forcibly removed his hand from your chest. Did you just swat it away or did you put him in an arm hold and break his hand. Lots of details missing.
Now I don't know what rank you were when this occurred, but if someone is trying to correct me, I tend to automatically assume they are of a higher rank. That doesn't excuse him putting his hand on you to correct you, but it also doesn't excuse your response.
In my opinion, I think both parties were wrong. He was wrong for the way he initiated the encounter and you were wrong for the response. This is just going off the sparse details that were presented.
Now I don't know what rank you were when this occurred, but if someone is trying to correct me, I tend to automatically assume they are of a higher rank. That doesn't excuse him putting his hand on you to correct you, but it also doesn't excuse your response.
In my opinion, I think both parties were wrong. He was wrong for the way he initiated the encounter and you were wrong for the response. This is just going off the sparse details that were presented.
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MSG Louis Alexander
If something like that happens, refer back to your training...automatic response in self-defense. Explain it was reaction without thought! As a trained warrior you are expected to defend yourself - lol
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Just from what I read, I'd say you were both on the wrong side of right.....and please hear me out:
1) You just got done with mission and headed to the DFAC, I gather, to get chow. As a Preventive Medicine NCO, this is a serious sanitation hazard that most (if not all) DFACs will not allow as it is possible to contaminate other peoples food and the food on the line with whatever dirt and sweat that is on your body.
2) The 1LT should have identified himself and also should not have laid a hand on you.
3) You lost your cool by getting physical as well.
Both parties were a little on the unprofessional side. But again, that's simply my opinion.
1) You just got done with mission and headed to the DFAC, I gather, to get chow. As a Preventive Medicine NCO, this is a serious sanitation hazard that most (if not all) DFACs will not allow as it is possible to contaminate other peoples food and the food on the line with whatever dirt and sweat that is on your body.
2) The 1LT should have identified himself and also should not have laid a hand on you.
3) You lost your cool by getting physical as well.
Both parties were a little on the unprofessional side. But again, that's simply my opinion.
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SFC Jeff Couch
I respect that liked most of your thoughts thank you what I didn't add was I had washed my face and hands trying to be as sanitized as possible and removing his hand as I did I don't think it was in a unprofessional manner I was showing my rank he would not give his we were taught not to lay hands on unless you were touched first I was tired probably could have handled it better but thank you for your thought SSG this has one of the things that has crossed my mind quite a bit since then much luck brother
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SPC Erich Guenther
Agree he should not have touched you, that is a little disrespectful and irritating. But be honest here that part of the anger on your part was the thinking in the back of your mind he was another POG obstructing you. You have to consider he had no clue you were going out on another mission in three hours and he was polite enough to not say "you stink" and inflame the situation more. Probably had no clue you were just comming off a mission either but that is just me guessing. I am not a combat veteran, this happens in peacetime as well (yeah I know it is not the same stress level). Boarding a USAF C-130 after two weeks of constant rain and mud in the field and right at the MF-ing door is the crew chief.......wipe your feet everyone, don't track mud into my clean airplane. The Platoon sergeant pulled him aside and had words with him before someone decked him.
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No one is allowed to put their hands on you Upper or lower rank I had a WO try that shit on me poking his grubby finger in my chest My words exactly "I'm not going to be responsible for what happens when that finger touches me again." He beat feet
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SFC Jeff Couch
That was my way of thinking as well we were taught when I went to basic you don't put hands on no one and they show you the same respect
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The structuring of your paragraph is terrible. Punctuation would help. You need to lead off saying the person had their hands on you in beginning not the end.
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SFC Jeff Couch
With all do respect SGM I was asking RP members what their views were on a certain situation and you focus on paragraph structuring and punctuation no disrespect but I am retired 24 years didn't really care about structuring and punctuation if it would have been a memo yes but this was for all RP members to make their judgement call and maybe start a good discussion thank you for your in put
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I won't throw any more weight into the right/wrong mix as the tribe seems to be tilting to both on the wrong side of center. What struck me is this might be a REMF mentality incident in which overseas the question would be "Is that all you did?" and in CONUS "You Dumb A!" I was an E-3 on a Tin Can pulling into Subic after the ship getting banged up. Reefers down for a week, hotter than hell, you get the picture. I was in my working uniform and asked the Chief if I could grab a cold Coke out of the machine on the dock. Sure go ahead and get one for me too. Easy right? Then a REMF type stopped me at the bottom of the gangway and told me I had to be in the Uniform of the Day to take another step. I had this imploring look at the Chief who just sent a few other sailors down so we could all deposit the REMF into the dumpster... the one with food waste no less. So this was a case of someone doing something purely because they can (hubris) and damn the result on the receiving end. Whatever you do, my advice is not give away opportunities for you to be made the problem vs. the first idiotic piece. Just think of polite compliance and word getting back up on how the ENL side was treated that day. If a good CoC, just grab a ticket and watch the show.
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I agree with everyone here in that the LT did not act appropriately; however, it doesn't seem that he did anything particularly threatening or intentionally disrespectful either. The fact that you've taken time out to present the incident in this forum suggests that either you feel terribly bad for overreacting, or you just want to rant about junior officers. If it's the former, don't sweat it; you basically did the same thing he did. If the latter, you have some growing up to do, Sergeant.
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I never heard of a LT making someone skip chow to take a shower.Also,If he was a LT,How is it you did not know?We have a dress code and his rank was on his unfiorm.Also,(Addressed as "Lieutenant")
A seasoned lieutenant with 18 to 24 months service. Leads more specialized weapons platoons and indirect fire computation centers. As a senior Lieutenant, they are often selected to be the Executive Officer of a company-sized unit (110 to 140 personnel). What unite are you in? Ever mission I went on,We never made it back for chow.We had MRE'S But something does. Not sound right.Howlong have you been deployed?
A seasoned lieutenant with 18 to 24 months service. Leads more specialized weapons platoons and indirect fire computation centers. As a senior Lieutenant, they are often selected to be the Executive Officer of a company-sized unit (110 to 140 personnel). What unite are you in? Ever mission I went on,We never made it back for chow.We had MRE'S But something does. Not sound right.Howlong have you been deployed?
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SFC Jeff Couch
The officer was in PTs CSM I was in about my 7th month of my deployment I found out from the FOB CSM that he was a 1st LT with a signal Company that was stationed at the FOB I was with the 101st CSM the CSM of the FOB was the one that addressed the situation with me ask me what I wanted to do about him putting his hand on me my response was I did not have the time nor the permission from my command at the time to do anything about it I just ask that it be brought to the LTC of the fob so a situation like that would not happen again
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SFC Jeff Couch
SFC Jeff Couch - My sole purpose was to talk to the NCOIC of the chow hall get enough Togo plates because I was aware of the sanitary issuse
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hmmm... nobody on our teams ever wore rank in the field, we knew each other and stuck to ourselves. as i recall, under the UCMJ an officer is not allowed to manhandle his troops anymore than a prive can manhandle the old man. let it slide. but perhaps a word with the young ELL TEE in question might be in order. you ARE an E-7, that is not just joe snuffy, you deserve respect as well
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MSG Louis Alexander
I agree Wayne, his NCO should have taken the initiative to speak with the Lieutenant on this matter.
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