Posted on Nov 21, 2013
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1. Combine all military medical assets into the Public Health Service and expand to include manning of all Veteran Administration hospitals. Only Corpsman, Medics, and Physician Assistants would remain branch specific. Medical teams in the PHS would specialize/certify for land, air, and sea operations instead of having separate medical corps for each branch.<div><br></div><div>2. Charge a nominal annual deductible for each dependent to access medical services. Exclude preventative care and immunizations from the deductible. This should help reduce unnecessary access to medical services when an over-the-counter treatment was all that was needed.</div><div><br></div><div>3. Centralize all military medical training, removing redundant training centers.</div><div><br></div><div>4. Lock retiree medical insurance rates to increase with the CPI.</div><div><br></div><div>5. Charge more for insuring retirees' dependents.</div><div><br></div><div>6. A Physician's Assistant should be assigned to every Battalion to allow for an easy open door access to sick call triage. It would also allow for quick identification of personnel that are prone to malingering.</div><div><br></div><div>7. Provide greater access to preventative care for service members such as Chiropractors.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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Stop giving dependents a free ride on their sponsor's health insurance.  Have a minor co-pay in the single digits for a PCM visit and have a hefty co-pay for emergency room visits that don't qualify as a "life, limb, or eyesight" emergency.
This should free up a whole lot of appointments in your local TMC and end the practice of using the ER as an alternative to waiting to see a doctor for three days or less.
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SPC Lan Manager
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Here at Fort Huachuca, we do not have a "hospital". We have a clinic so ER visits are quite common here do to the fact that the clinic cannot support what is needed at times. 
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I live off post about 30 minutes and when my kid needed to go to the ER I was going to the one that was 5 minutes up the road not all the way back to post. SFC Watkins. I have only been stationed at Fort Bragg, Gordon and Lewis but we have never had to call to clear an ER visit before or after going for a dependent. On the other hand when I herniated a disc in my neck I again went to the closer hospital and had to go to my battalion PA the next day and he signed off that it was an emergency. I have never used an ER as a way to avoid an appointment though but it sounds like something that probably happens.
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Dependants are entitled to the same healthcare as their service member. Families are what supports the SM when their unit or support channel does not, claiming that they are given a free ride is a little unfair. as for ER visits sometimes the "life limb or eye sight" mandate can be a little convuluded. someone might be experiencing leg pain might have to wait 1-2 weeks for a regular appointment. that leg pain could be from something more serious like a DVT for example. if that clot breaks off while the patient is waiting for their scheduled appointment they run the risk of perishing. what needs to happen is the make appointments to providers more accessable. perhaps my adding one more hour to clinic schedules or hiring Nurse Practicioners who can prescribe medications and appropriately diagnose and help out the regular physicians who can focus on the more serious ailments.
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Dependents are entitled to the same care as their sponsors, I agree.  They receive better care, though.  I cannot change my Tricare enrollment to see a civilian off-post as my PCM.  I can't visit the ER at a whim without authorization from the medical officer on duty.
Regarding the leg pain:  A migraine can be a brain tumor, a regular headache with a sore neck meningitis, and a stomachache could be a ruptured ulcer.  The question is, considering the patient's medical history, how likely is any of this?

I prefer upset dependents and out-of-pocket costs for lifestyle choices/bad luck to being short troops and weapons systems because our personnel costs are growing out of control.
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SGT JeneAurey Melendez
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Charge a small copay less than $20.00, it will reduce some of the " I am just here because I have free health insurance." it may make people think twice before seeking care for the common cold.
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SFC Stephen Hester
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Here are my big three:

1. Curtail elective procedures. Boob jobs and tummy tucks are nice for some folks but there's no reason why TRICARE should pay for things like this


2. Stop prescribing OTC cold medications to everyone who comes in with a case of the sniffles or aches and pains. The PX carries them and yes, service members and family members would have to pay for them out-of-pocket. 



3. Charge a deductible for family member visits to the clinic or the ER. 

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How would you save the military money in medical expenses?
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Most poigniantly, changing philosophy on what healthcare is in the military is fundimental before even thinking about making fiscal cutbacks. The main problem with the healthcare that we are used to is that healthcare was always something that was done afterwards and begrudgeingly at that. you would spraine you ankle, spend hours in sick call just for a bottle of motrin and a straw to "suck it up" with and thats if you even went to sick call. because of the stigma many leaders put on getting medical treatment, soldiers would push through the pain and deal with it. What did that cause? well 5 years down the road the military has to pay for ankle replacement because that tendon that could have been fixed with some minimal physical therapy has now ruptured.

There is already many processes in the works that are cutting some reduntcancies. the Base Realignment Commission would be the first to recognize. for some reason we had bases for each branch, and often they are very close to each other. why have seperate medical facilities for each post when you could join these bases together and have a Military Treatment Facility that covers all services.

as for making soldiers pay for missing appointments i kind of agree with there being some kind of reparation. If you miss an appointment in the civilian sector you get charged your deductable anyway. but why do people focus on this issue always confounds me because on average it only counts for about 5% of lost funds. what we need to focus on is the appointments we send out to network. there is an average of 30% of outpatient services that get sent out to network. thats a lot of money, because those 30% of appointments already exist in our facilities then we refer them out and pay the civilian institution. so we just payed double for a service we could have performed.

training, i agree should be centralized and remove redundant training. no sense on doing two kind of different classes that cover the same thing.

a Physicians Assistant being assigned to every battalion makes a lot of sense. however, you might have to consider the kind of work load that PA will be under. A Small battalion may have 350+ soldiers. that is one hell of a patient load, i find it difficult to believe that to PA would be able to give effective care to every one under his purview.

Just a couple of thoughts.
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SSG Sweeney,

1. Your #1 is going into effect right now: http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20131001/BENEFITS06/310010042/

2. Retirees served honorably for those benefits FOR their families and a sudden increase in out-of-pocket cost could have a grave effect on their fixed incomes. I recently saw a wheelchair-bound Korean War vet and his wife miscalculate their meager grocery cost and they came up short. Instead of letting them decide if they could do without cheese or bananas, I paid the difference. Imagine what they would have to sacrifice to pay unexpected copay increases.

3. I totally agree with you about PAs. They do a GREAT job at weeding out BS.

4. Each missed appointment costs an MTF around $100. I say deduct it from the Servicemember's pay, if they don't have a good excuse for missing it.
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SFC Clinops
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SFC Watkins your #4 is an EXCELLENT idea.  I never thought about that, but that's exactly what our civilian counterparts do-they charge for missed appointments.  For truth, I think that would have a greater impact on the decrease in missed appointments, instead of sending out that dreaded "missed appointment" email to the CSM.  Ohh I love that idea!!
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I agree with the missed appoint fee, the civilian sector does charge the regular deductable for missed visits. However, there does need to be a culture shift to allow for the Service Members leader ship to try and prioritize medical obligations. lets face it, when crunch time hit and you suddenly have to do a 100% layout all of a sudden medical appointments become an inconvienience to the leader and often forgotten by E-4 and below. perhaps we should look into adding a Nurse Case Manage in conjunction with the BN PA to manage and remind SM's and pertinent leadership about appointment schedules, assuming HIPPA isnt violated.
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SSG Genaro Negrete
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I've always seen, what I consider, a poor enforcement of the missed appointment problem. Senior leaders get by name lists of soldiers that missed appointments, but nothing more than a counseling statement is produced. Often it is merely to appease another leader on up the chain.

An actual fee would be great. Actual accountability for the soldier.

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SFC James Baber
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Number one get rid of all the bogus charges that the medical field has created, if you ever look at a bill from a civilian facility and compare what is actually paid by your insurance to what they are supposed to write off, there is proof right there. If they are able to write off for example $28,000 from a $30,000  bill of charges because the insurance only allowed $200 to be paid, that shows that the costs are over inflated to start with. There was a time when doctors were paid in chickens and produce, and they were happy with and generally cared for their patients even when they couldn't afford to pay for the service. It is a major scam for the expenses, and needs to be revamped to the reality and cut out the fat that causes the over inflated mechanisms that are currently in place .
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It is absolutely unfair that the free-market medical community charges the uninsured such inflated rates, far above what they settle on from insurance companies and HMOs. I would totally support the entire country going to a single-payer system similar to what the military and many other countries have, if I had a little more confidence in the American people not to flood said system with superficial or imaginary ailments as readily as they do emergency rooms now.
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SSG Robert Burns
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We have far too many providers in administrative positions and not generating revenue.
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SSG Burns,

This is a really good point. I understand administrative positions such as the head of a department that still practices medicine, but every provider that transitions to purely administrative work is an investment the military has lost. As time passes those same providers lose practice and gradually become less capable. I wonder if the military shouldn't have some kind of tenure bonus to retain providers as Colonels; an incentive to retain those that see a future in becoming a general officer in terms of pay but require command experience.
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SFC Rocky Gannon
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Well let me get my soap box out:  First when I joined like most of you I was promised free medical and dental for life for me and my family, well that was a lie, Now we pay for Tricare and Tricare dental. The combining of all military health care under the PHA I don't like, as then you will be competing with even more people to try and get a appoint, Keep the government out of health care, if you want to control cost it need to be with the drugs and suppliers, that is where the major cost are at. We have let healthcare get so for out of line, by allowing jury's to award these millions in law suites, don't get me wrong if they do something wrong like remove a kidney instead of the gall blatter yea sue the shit out of them, but a few million for something that did not hurt you or cause you lost of limb or body part why? The military care system and Tricare works, now stop raising it because I am retired, and stop pushing us into more poverty then helping.
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CSM Mike Maynard
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I read in another post where someone said that they too had been promised certain things in their contract when they joined the Army.

 

I took a look at my contract and I can't find any promises of anything health care related for me or my family. The only promises I could find were for the MGIB?

 

Where is everyone finding these promises at?

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I like the idea of the PAs,  who seem competent and eager to help veterans and active duty alike.
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This may be counter intuitive, however if they really want to cut expenses, they need to grow military medical capabilities. Build military hospitals back up and stop paying civilian providers to perform functions that military providers could do at half the cost.
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