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I am writing a research paper. In it, I will refer to one of my friends. I'm not in the SOF world so I just want to get this right. Keep in mind, the paper is for civilians, so the exact language doesn't need to be precise, just respectful.

I want to say "with one of my colleagues, an Army Ranger in an infantry battalion down the road, admitting to me..."
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The U.S. Army Ranger Association is the oldest organization currently in existence that supports members of the Ranger community regardless of the conflict in which they served or the unit to which they were assigned. The Association has been asked to weigh in on the question of who qualifies to use the title U.S. Army Ranger. Those who study Ranger history will know that this until-now good natured barracks debate has flared in one form or another for at least seventy years. The short answer to this question is that anyone who graduated from the U.S. Army's Ranger School or who served in a Ranger-designated unit qualifies. These qualifications have been enshrined, albeit in a bit more detail, within our bylaws for decades and are consistent with the stance taken by the Department of the Army.

https://members.ranger.org/Who-Is-A-Ranger

“There is no official U.S. Army policy regarding the use of the term ‘Ranger,’” said Lt. Col. Ramirez, the spokesman with the Army’s Office of the Chief of Public Affairs, adding that “The designation ‘Ranger’ has been associated with Soldiers who either graduated from Ranger School or are assigned to the 75th Ranger Regiment.”

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/army-ranger-school-policy-unknown/

Bottom line, anyone who served in a Ranger unit or graduated from Ranger School can be called a Ranger.
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MAJ (Join to see) The paper is actually on biblical counseling for soldiers who experience depression. No citation will be needed for the brief reference to my friend, but it's still incredibly helpful to have this official stance from this NPO. As well, to know that there is nothing doctrinal about it, it's just a cultural thing.
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1SG(P) Dean Mcbride (MPER) (SPHR)
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I am not certain about the statement "or who served in a Ranger-designated unit qualifies".... I need to check with someone who served in the Regiment... For example, are the Cooks Rangers? Not meaning to demean Cooks but do they have to go to Ranger School before being assigned to the Regiment. If not Ranger qualified, I don't think they would be calling themselves "Rangers" on any subsequent assignment.
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1SG(P) Dean Mcbride (MPER) (SPHR) All enlisted soldiers who volunteer to serve in the Ranger Regiment must first pass the Ranger Indoctrination Program (RIP) now called RASP (Ranger Assessment and Selection Program). Afterwards they are assigned to a Ranger Battalion. The junior enlisted do not attend and complete Ranger School before being assigned and serving in the Ranger Regiment. There are many soldiers who have served in the Ranger Regiment and have never gone to Ranger School. There are many soldiers who have a Ranger unit combat patch and have never gone to Ranger School and earned the Ranger Tab. This is why the "Who is a real Ranger" argument is absurd and childish. If you went to Ranger School and earned the Ranger tab, if you served in a Ranger unit but never went to Ranger School, if you have a Ranger combat patch without a Ranger tab, I you have have the Ranger tab and served in a Ranger unit, it doesn't matter. All soldiers who have earned the Ranger tab or have served in a Ranger unit regardless of whether they earned the Ranger Tab or not are and can call themselves an Army Ranger.
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CPT Endre Barath
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I am proud to be an Airborne Ranger Infantry CPT. I graduated from Airborne School, and graduated from Ranger School and went to Infantry Basic School and left the US Army as an Airborne Ranger Infantry CPT did not serve in a Ranger Unit, and I am fine with talking about my time in the US Army
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If you were ever in the Regiment, or worked near them, you would have often heard "the tab is a school, the scroll is a way of life," implying that in contrast to those who did it for 70 days, they do it every day as a job.

In the context of any Infantry officer in any Infantry Bn, they would all be Ranger School graduates, and it would be redundant to mention that they completed Ranger school.
If they are any other basic or special branch in an Infantry Bn, I suppose it would be worth pointing it out if that experience was also germane to the topic.
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SGM Jeff Mccloud
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA - Many Infantry officers failed to complete Ranger School, but if they are COMPO 1, they all went to Ranger School from IBOLC, just like they always went from IOBC. in about 3 waves of 70 to 90 LTs per class. The 2nd and 3rd waves get the other short schools up front: ABN, scout leader, MLOC, etc.
The most recent complete IBOLC had 71 already in or reserved for classes in Ranger school, and 37 attending things like Maintenance Leader and Stryker leader, pending a Ranger school reservation, or have been swapping out of reservations pending clearing a temp profile.
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1LT Peter Suedfeld
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I've said this before, but let me say it again. For veterans whose service was in what now seems like the prehistoric era (in my case, 1950-60s), the proliferation of acronyms and abbreviations in many of these posts is baffling. I'm no asking for big changes, but occasionally spelling out what those short-cuts stand for would be appreciated.
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SGM Jeff Mccloud
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1LT Peter Suedfeld - Sorry
IOBC Infantry Officer Basic Course (1982-2010, previously the Basic Infantry Officer Course 1953 to 1982)
IBOLC Infantry Basic Officer Leader Course (current name since 2010)
ABN is just Airborne shortened.
MLOC was Mortar Leader Course now the Infantry Mortar Leader Course (IMLC)
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SGM Jeff Mccloud - Thank you, Sergeant Major. I appreciate your courtesy.
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SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA
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Rangers appreciate that you seek to say this right. I suggest the following: "with one of my colleagues, a Ranger-qualified Officer in an Infantry battalion down the road, admitting to me..."
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LTC Charles Kosmerl - Yes, First Tour, I had RF/PF perimeter and road security for my 105-howitzer battery, B Battery 5/27 Artillery. Most were VC and unreliable when mine sweeping the road as we lost troops/equipment on many occasions to mines. They always seemed to disappear during mortar/rocket attacks. Located in Phan Thiet, home to Ho Chi Minh so the locals were not friendlies. Supported task Force South 3/506 101 Inf and 23 RVN Division.
Second tour,The ARVN's I had as MACV, Advisor MAT-I-68, Binh Son, Quang Ngai Prov. was better trained in Infantry tactic's and the Artillery was accurate when needed.
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LTC Charles Kosmerl
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Where do you live? Anywhere near Orlando, FL? I don't get the chance to chat with too many who served as advisors. I've been to The Wall the past two years for Veterans Day and haven't seen a single MACV patch (other than mine). Lots of 101st, 82nd, 25th, 4th, SF, separate brigades but nobody identifying as an advisor.
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The intrepid Advisor with his cut-down M1 carbine.
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How yould you describe someone who is Ranger-tabbed, versus serving in one of the ranger regiments?
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I served in C CO (75th Ranger) which was detached to 1st battalion 29th Infantry Regiment. I did not go to the school but was a machinegunner in Weapons. Those of us that hadn't gone to the Ranger Course (roughly 80%) prior to overseas duty stomped the same ground, slept in the same puddles and we wore a Ranger Patch. We WERE Rangers in the eyes of thsoe that came before us. Yes we needed some catch-up, still Brothers.
This was before the 1st Ranger Battalion was stood up in 1974.
About 10 years later when I was assigned to Scout Platoon, CSC, 4th Infantry Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment stationed in the Panama Canal Zone, I was sent to Ranger School. I really didn't learn new Ranger Techniques while at the course but it did knock the rust off of me.
Did I feel any different about myself after graduating the Ranger Course? NO.
Both were distinct from each other but what made me a Ranger in each case was myself. I would say what makes a person capable of being a "Ranger" is what is present in the person's soul and mind.
Some people are cut out for it and only the trials and tribulations and their reaction to them will mentally prepare the person to be a ranger - either On-The-Job or Course trained.
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What is my advice to the individual?
1. Don't Quit.
2. Keep your Sense of Humor.
3. F.I.D.O.
What is my advice to the Army?
1. Keep the standards high.
2. Demand that the Rangers-At-Training (The 'R.A.T.s' as we called ourselves) keep humping so they can learn what abilities and plain gumption they have within themselves.
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There are 'Rangers' and then are those that are 'Tabbed'. One thing about those that were 'OJT Rangers' - they lived the life.
The 'Tabbed Rangers' that don't go to the Ranger regiment also often are tough MFs and live the life once they return to their units. The Regimental Rangers, both 'Tabbed and OJT' live the life also, they are where the culture reenforces the training.
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Hope this helps you in your research paper.
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I'm not qualified to speak on behalf of Rangers or SF, so I'll speak for the receiving end of the hypothetical conversation from a civilian perspective.

The more words that have to be used to explain something to a laymen the less important or impressive the thing you are trying to explain to them is relative to their life. Don't make their eyes roll into the back of their head.

If you have to explain to the listener/reader what makes the Ranger dude special I don't think they care. So your "Army Buddy" is sufficient too.

The nuances we all here as service members and veterans are going to get all wound up about is attributing a level of military accomplishment that might not be due. So don't cross that line, and when speaking of the person in the THRID person when you are not in their presence then it shouldn't matter to the listener so long as the listener doesn't come away with thinking the service member is something more than they are. That's why "Army Buddy" is perfectly fine too if only because it doesn't over glorify them and the listener might not care anyway.

******OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just realized something**************

This line of discussion is WOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just in a different relative scenario.

Do you all see it? If Ranger, SF, SEAL, Green Beret, Delta Force, Grunt, Boot, were "PRONOUNS" how is this different than folks getting bent out of shape about pronouns attributed to them during discussions about them for which they are not present for and words they themselves will not hear, being shared with an audience that personally doesn't care?

We are trying to figure out the THEY/THEM lest we offend HE OR SHE. hahaha

Anyway, just thought that was funny...............
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Talking about two different things. Ranger school is a training course, thus a Ranger tab is essentially a qualification badge indicating that the person demonstrated proficiency at Ranger School. Just state that the person is a "graduate of Ranger School." This indicates that they have undergone and passed the rigorous training and testing required to earn the Ranger Tab, demonstrating their proficiency in a variety of military skills and their readiness to serve in demanding tactical and operational environments.

The Ranger Regiment is one of the 'premier' of those demanding operational assignments. Their preparedness to "fight tonight" goes beyond what was learned in Ranger school and beyond what is typical in standard MTOE infantry units. Hence the saying that the Scroll is a way of life.
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That makes complete sense. Thank you sir.
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I also meant to correct your question above -- there is only one Rgr Regt; not plural.
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COL Dan Ruder - Thanks, my fault. One regiment, five battalions?
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1LT (Join to see) - Correct. 3xIN, 1xRSTB, 1xMIB
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Good afternoon 1LT (Join to see). Excellent post. Thank you for sharing this Sir. In My opinion Sir, You can add in there that Ranger school is one of many tough and challenging programs that various Army NCOs and officers have to face in order to proudly were the Ranger tab. This program is so challenging that a few Soldiers manage not to make it through the entire program.
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I earned my Tab in Ranger class 10-76. We were trained, or should I say abused, by all Vietnam era cadre. The old Vietnam Program of Instruction(POI) was exceptionally brutal, especially the North Vietnamese POW Camp. The Vietnam, to a Ranger Instructor, told us that we had endured more in our 3 months of Ranger School than they had in any of their many tours in Vietnam, minus the bullets. They called us “Ranger.” And, said from now on when someone saw our Ranger Tab on our shoulder we were now part a select Army brotherhood of elite soldiers. And, we would be called “Ranger.” And, as a young Infantry 2LT walking into my first Infantry Battalion in Germany in ‘77 my Ranger Tab was the first thing anyone noticed about me and they addressed me as Ranger.
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Working with Ranger tabbed NCOs and Officers and being in the Ranger regiment their are signifanct differences but also some similarities. Those in Ranger Regiment saw the tab as a school to go to forward our careers. The regiment is a higher class of soldiers, who are high professionals in their positions. The ranger tab individuals in the regular units are seen as super stars. The school/tab is a very high fallout rate school so if you survive through the school then you are trained to be a higher quality soldier but you are still working in a not as high quality unit like the Ranger Regiment. A NCO or Officer with the tab is able to accomplish their job at a higher quality than those who do not go to ranger school at all.
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I have to push back against you on this. Most of this is not true in my experience, been around a while. I have met a few jerks and low-speed Soldiers with a ranger tab, and I have known many extremely high quality Soldiers without them. Hell, when I think of the Soldiers I admire the most, only two of them have tabs. So, higher quality, no. Super stars? No way. What I do see is someone who has earned a badge that proves they never quit. And I take that for what it's worth. It does not determine their quality.
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"Ranger Qualified".
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