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I know this is going to be a very controversial topic in society once this progresses, but I am looking at it military stand point.
If this became legal and common, what do you think would happen to the military? ie if we could clone humans, why not just clone the "perfect" service member that can do it all and create a force of that person to do the conflicts? It would basically be a robot military but with humans.
Thoughts?
In a cloning first, researchers generate embryonic stem cells from a man's skin.
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1. Genetic diversity is an important element for the prolonged survival of any species.
2. The U.S. frowns upon slavery.
2. The U.S. frowns upon slavery.
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CPT Brandon Christensen
What if they were treated like normal natural born humans, but expendable like SFC Emily Wesemann stated?
Would you say having these clones change the survival rate for natural born humans? (natural selection)
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SFC Stephen P.
Sir, if they are treated the same as natural born humans and not coerced into service, I suspect the program would be a huge waste of resources.
The cost of producing the embryos may be minor, but implantation is costly. It is unlikely that you will find sufficient women to voluntarily pay for the procedure, carry to term, and raise to the age of majority. Even with subsidies, I don't suspect you will have lines around the block signing up to be axlotl tanks.
If there were a sufficiently motivated or desperate population, how many of the resultant perfect troops would be motivated to serve? How many as a result of environment would remain medically, educationally, and morally qualified?
The return on investment without the employment of compulsory service doesn't make sense.
The cost of producing the embryos may be minor, but implantation is costly. It is unlikely that you will find sufficient women to voluntarily pay for the procedure, carry to term, and raise to the age of majority. Even with subsidies, I don't suspect you will have lines around the block signing up to be axlotl tanks.
If there were a sufficiently motivated or desperate population, how many of the resultant perfect troops would be motivated to serve? How many as a result of environment would remain medically, educationally, and morally qualified?
The return on investment without the employment of compulsory service doesn't make sense.
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CPT Brandon Christensen
I know I am playing the what if game here, but what if they were to develop a way to speed the process of aging and a way for the specimen to develop fully in the first 9 months without being in another human? I have a feeling this may be pushing boundaries a little and could lead to an off topic discussion :)
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SFC Stephen P.
If we only eliminate the gestation period, you still have a minimum of 16 years of development before enlistment eligibility. This eliminates one problem out of many, but not enough to be viable. Who will raise these children?
Eliminate the development phases and we would then have an age limit to deal with. Overcoming that, the educational requirements would still take around 10 years (I think I saw somewhere that 8th grade was the bare minimum requirement for enlistment)
If we somehow managed to create a factory for fully developed educationally qualified humans, you might be able to provide and illusion of choice when it comes to service. If the alternative is to drop them in the civilian market with absolutely no support structure, it isn't much of a choice at all.
If they are unable to make a qualified decision, the service is at best coercive if not compulsory.
The only outcomes I can see are that it will be ineffectual, or an anathema to a free society.
Eliminate the development phases and we would then have an age limit to deal with. Overcoming that, the educational requirements would still take around 10 years (I think I saw somewhere that 8th grade was the bare minimum requirement for enlistment)
If we somehow managed to create a factory for fully developed educationally qualified humans, you might be able to provide and illusion of choice when it comes to service. If the alternative is to drop them in the civilian market with absolutely no support structure, it isn't much of a choice at all.
If they are unable to make a qualified decision, the service is at best coercive if not compulsory.
The only outcomes I can see are that it will be ineffectual, or an anathema to a free society.
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Blade Runner comes to mind.
A force of "perfect" service members (with free will and guns, no less), bred for conflict by a civilization that can create clone after clone of the same person, would soon realize they are death-dealing slaves, and rebel.
We would repress the human desire for freedom to keep from fighting our own wars. And that’s another thing. We would sanitize the war experience by sending in clones to do the work, and lose the horrific perception of armed conflict. War would never end, because it would never have to.
And how would we treat these clones if they integrated into our society of “natural born” humans? Veterans have a hard enough time, now we have vets from a test tube that no nothing but conflict. Nevermind their vet status, would we even treat them as equal humans?
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CPT Brandon Christensen
Interesting. Would it be wise to just keep them on an active duty post, train then like "normal humans" and send them out (to combat) when needed and not integrate them into society, just bred for military obligations. I know they may sound cruel and inhuman.
Would a test tube service member be worth more, less or equal to a natural born human?
These test tube members wouldn't know the joys of being free and what we experience on a day to day basis, so in essence, they don't know what they are missing (again, cruel and inhuman), since they haven't experienced it.
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Bad idea...I find myself thinking of storm troopers now. Expendable not free thinking...nope I don't like it
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CPT Brandon Christensen
good point. Only improvement that could be taken would be at the top, whom are making the choices. Since they would be fighting over tactics and how it should be handled.
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what if they all come out dumb and have no motor skills because their brains couldn't be cloned right because of the complexity of humans?
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They can clone humans but cant replace cartiledge in the knee? lol thats crazy right.
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CPT Brandon Christensen
That is true SPC Smale. This is all based off that the cloning process was perfect and actually created an exact replica of that specimen with no issues.
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