Posted on Aug 30, 2015
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I am coming close to my ETS and I have no idea if I want to stay in or get out. For those who have ETS'd how is it. I know lots of people that miss it. I'm not worried about a job on the outside, it's just when I think about getting out I can't imagine life without the military. I still have a year left so there is plenty of time left. I have just been thinking about this decision for the past year, and I only have a small time frame left to continue to think about it. I would just like input on those who have gotten out.
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SSgt Rick Glime
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STAY! STAY! STAY! No matter what your friends say, No matter what your family says, You are a buck sergeant, you've laid the ground work for a great career! Try to get some overseas travel in, in a non combat zone of course. You could even cross train! Yeah, stay!
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CPT Pedro Meza
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SGT Miranda Baker, if you are married that is a question that has to be answer with your spouse opinion, but if you are single stay in, the ARMY has new challenges ahead and need good NCO's and Officers with experience around, besides its fun and you will miss it.
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SSG Desk Sergeant
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I just want to thank everyone who provided information and advice! I logged on today and had over 10 responses. I appreciate all of your help. I have learned some other avenues I can take. This is my year out month, so I will be meeting with retention to see what is offered. I'm not worried about a job getting out, just worried about missing what I currently have as far as experience opportunities with my current job. I love the cool stuff that I get to do as a MP, especially on deployments! If there is anyone on here that can help me network with jobs that require a TS I would really appreciate some information as well. Thank you everyone!
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COL R. Bruce Chisholm
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https://www.clearancejobs.com

A word on the contractor world: there are A LOT of (usually smaller) companies seeking contracts that will solicit your resume to assist with their business development. Don't confuse their contacting you with an impending offer of employment.
That said, look at total compensation, not just Salary. Right now, you get 30 days of leave and 10 federal holidays. Oh, and a training holiday turning those into four day weekends. Unlimited sick leave (for our purposes)
Civil service: 10'holidays, no training holidays and 13 annual leave plus 13 sick leave a year to start.
Contractor: varies all over the map. My last contract job=48 hour week, ten work days annual after one year in position and 10 "personal days" you could use for holidays or sick. I was incredulous when I heard Veterans Day was not an observed holiday. We were alone in the federal building as the civil service was all gone. Actually had to arrange to have the heat turned on for the day.
Before the sharpshooters start in on my "facts on leave", I did not attempt to cover all the nuances and exceptions of the three systems-just trying to inspire a critical look at all the systems.
Good luck.
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SSG Robert Spina
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I REMEMBER THINKING THE SAME THING WHEn I WAS GETTING CLOSE TO ETSING ITS A TOUGH DECISION WHAT I DID WAS I JOINED THE USAR THAT WAY COULD RETURN BACK TO ACTIVE DUTY WITH THE SAME RANK IF I DECIDED TO I WAS LUCKY I GOT A GOOD JOB AS A CORRECTIONS OFFICER SO IT PAYED OFF FOR ME I THEN CONTINUED MY MILITARY CARREER IN THE USAR AND DID 23 YRS THERE ARE ALOT OF THINGS TO THINK ABOUT EMPLOYMENT BEING ONE OF THEM WHAT EVER YOU DECIDE GOOD LUCK
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CSM Robert Ashe
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Life is much different out here and you have to ask yourself a few questions. First, of all do you have a family and can you make enough to pay the medical bills and save for college and retirement on the outside. Secondly, if you are enjoying the Army then finish your time, invest well and rise your family, education yourself and enjoy life. The Army provides so many benefits that we take them for granted sometimes, look around and really see what’s really there. You are worry free, your family is being taking care of, you never have to worry about getting or keeping your job. I could continue but I will stop here because I believe you are tracking with me on this.

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SGT David T.
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I found that getting out was one of the hardest yet most gratifying things I could have done. In the short term I faced issues with a loss of identity because I knew who SGT Thomas was but didn't really know who David was. I also faced trouble finding employment in the short term due to my lack of education at the time. As a result I decided to go to college and earn my degree. I finished Bachelor's degree in 35 months from start to finish. Two months later I found employment with the Department of the Army as a civilian employee. That was five years ago and I am now six pay grades higher than I started. Many leaders will try and scare you about the civilian world but I would ignore them because honestly they have no idea what they are talking about. You should have heard the comments I got: "what are you gonna do work at McDonalds?"
The key to a successful transition is planning and realistic expectations. I had about $13K saved up which was barely enough to get started with. I also had some unrealistic expectations regarding employment. I figured my NCO experience would be good enough to find something. I was wrong. I was overqualified for the crappy jobs and under qualified for good ones, with nothing available in between. One of things to remember is a potential employer does not really care what you did before only what value you can provide them in the here and the now. Use your ability to be flexible, improvise, plan and execute and you will be fine.
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SGT David T. Thank you for your input, I have already had a MSG sit me down and write out the pros and cons of getting out, he really wants me to stay in. He tried the scare tactics, but I'm a realistic person and I know if I plan it out I will be fine, hence what I'm doing. I have been planing since last year. Just wanted some more honest information from people who have gone through it already. I have already found out many things that I didn't know.
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SGT David T.
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It can be scary but it also can be very rewarding depending on the path that you choose. I wont lie to you, it is not all rainbows and unicorns. The change in lifestyle takes some getting used to. In my opinion for me, it was the best choice. I am much happier now than I was when I was in and that made it worth it for me. Another thing to consider is that there are other ways to serve after you get out that pay a bit better. For me I found that working for the Army was better than being in the Army, but everyone is different and I give a lot of credit to those who do stay in.
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SFC Mark Merino
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What was your final decision?
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I still have not made one SFC Mark Merino I have a lot of time left. I didn't put too much info in my initial post, but my decision will also be heavily impacted on how my husband is doing, he gets out this month. So if things work out for him I obviously can be a little risky and leave the stability of the military and go the college route with possible reservist status. I'm just having a hard time networking in the building I work with. Sadly I kind of piss people off because I enforce the rules for everyone, I don't pick favorites so I kind of feel like that's why I don't get much feedback when I try to find out information from the civilians in my building.
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Sgt Victor Smith
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I got out in 95. No problem with the transition, I now am part owner of a electrical contracting company. However I miss the Corps daily. I don't miss the b.s. but the people the mission the way of life yes. If you like what you are doing or can make a lat move I would stay. There may be days you hate it, but guess what it's no different out here and sometimes I think it's worst. My two cents. Semper Fi.
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SFC Team Leader
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In 1992 I ETS'd and shortly there after started to regret it. I have since rejoined (in 2008 after a 16 & 1/2 year break) as a reservist and am glad to be back in and to be a part of the army. There are always day's that I would rather be some where else but the comradery that can be found among soldiers can't be found any where else in the world.
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SPC Jeff Lamica
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I was the master shammer E4, and couldn't wait to end my groundhogs day life in the army. The grass was gonna be greener, the beer colder, and the sun warmer. Come to find out, I didn't have a single fucking plan, which is mistake 1, as most people have stated. #2 is that the grass isn't always greener on the civilian side...sometimes there isn't even grass to begin with. Third is that the there is going to be a big hole in what used to be your waking hours. In the army, you are always doing something, going somewhere, and bitching about nothing in particular. You have friends, a place to sleep that is free, shitty free-ish food, all the basic amenities, plus a decent pay check. NONE of those things are guaranteed on the outside. The positive side is that you get to make you. You can get a job, go to school, go back home, go wherever you please, and do whatever you want now. It just depends on what you value in life. I'm fairly materialistic, and enjoy having cool toys to play with, and I'm terrible with my finances. Schools not a bad option, and it opens a lot of doors, and it is pretty interesting. Though you may find yourself bored to tears, because out here, you gotta find your own task and purpose. Basically in the army, your life revolves around your job, in the civilian world, you get kind of separate the two with varying levels of effectiveness. Find out why you want, find out if the outside world can get you that, make a plan (numerous plans, they're all gonna fail at some point), and execute. For everyone it's different, I miss it, you may ritualistically burn all your uniforms while laughing your ass off out of hatred of the big green weeny...
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