Posted on Mar 29, 2018
I have conflicting feelings over this. I know that open carry is a thing in Texas, but who crossed the line, if anyone?
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CJ Grisham, President of Open Carry Texas, Army veteran and recent candidate for State Representative in District 55, along with a couple of other people was arrested yesterday in Olmos Park, TX (Bexar County). He was tazed and subsequently injured in that arrest with a head injury and was hospitalized. I was told that the head injury was a large gash on the back of the head. He also suffered numerous scrapes on his wrists and arms.
Grisham and crew were legally opening carrying pistols and long guns in response to an event last week when an Olmos Park police officer drew guns on and detained someone with a protest sign solely for the reason of open carrying a pistol (which turned out to be a training fake).
Grisham had a phone conversation with the Olmos Park Police Chief, Rene Valenciano about their policies, etc. in which the chief seemed entirely unconcerned with his officers illegally detaining people for a perfectly legal activity. (The conversation will be linked in the comments below).
Grisham and crew went to Olmos Park yesterday and were legally and peacefully open carrying and got arrested for it. There is a video of the arrest. There was no articulated probable cause for the arrest. The police showed up, including Chief Valenciano and ordered Grisham and his crew to the ground. Grisham at least refused. It was Valenciano that personally tazed and arrested Grisham.
Between the phone call and video from the site, it's very clear this was an illegal arrest by an oath breaking police officer and they will be held accountable.
Grisham and crew were legally opening carrying pistols and long guns in response to an event last week when an Olmos Park police officer drew guns on and detained someone with a protest sign solely for the reason of open carrying a pistol (which turned out to be a training fake).
Grisham had a phone conversation with the Olmos Park Police Chief, Rene Valenciano about their policies, etc. in which the chief seemed entirely unconcerned with his officers illegally detaining people for a perfectly legal activity. (The conversation will be linked in the comments below).
Grisham and crew went to Olmos Park yesterday and were legally and peacefully open carrying and got arrested for it. There is a video of the arrest. There was no articulated probable cause for the arrest. The police showed up, including Chief Valenciano and ordered Grisham and his crew to the ground. Grisham at least refused. It was Valenciano that personally tazed and arrested Grisham.
Between the phone call and video from the site, it's very clear this was an illegal arrest by an oath breaking police officer and they will be held accountable.
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This happened earlier this year. It seems there was a city ordinance on open carry. I don't how that works as the State has set the law on when and where to open carry. Bexar County is a very odd duck. Very freaking libtarded. The only place in the state that switchblades can't be carried.
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So, first off, do not resist. Let the arrest happen. Afterwards, class action suit. The police chief, and ALL law enforcement, should be made to learn about the 1946 Battle of Athens, and heed the warning.
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Although Texas is for the most part a red state, we have pockets of blue. One of my soldier is also an Austin police officer who was suspended and threatened with termination for doing his job; another officer had made a legal traffic stop but needed backup from my Soldier because a crowd was forming. It was dark and my Soldiers saw something in the hands of a person in the crowd, he shine a flashlight to see what was in the guys hands. Well it turned out to be a cell phone and the guy was video taping. The guy filed a compliant and then ran to the local news and it became a big deal for a few days, Chief ASSavado threatened to fire my Soldier even before the investigation started. Luckily for my Soldier, Assavado was hired by Houston before the investigation happened.
The San Antonio police Chief has released illegal aliens and refused to work with ICE, despite Texas passing a no sanctuary city law. Several DAs have promised to go after bad cops, many times believing criminals over good cops.
The San Antonio police Chief has released illegal aliens and refused to work with ICE, despite Texas passing a no sanctuary city law. Several DAs have promised to go after bad cops, many times believing criminals over good cops.
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SSG Jeffrey Leake
It's a sad and soft world now a days. It stinks that your soldier went through that. The bad guys are getting away with way to much.
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MSG Don H.
SSG Jeffrey Leake - totally agree, Freddie Gray is proof of that. He had 20 pending charges of possession and he was walking the street.
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Some people drink the kool-aid, lose their sense of right and wrong, sworn duty, then drift off into the na-na land of positional power thinking that everyone will kowtow.
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I've known CJ for better then 10 years now. Very few that I know are as tough a fighter for our basic Constitutional rights. I'd gladly stand side-by-side with him if he asked me to. -Especially if his Mrs. cooks dinner again beforehand :-) )
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Crazy Cop Chief for sure, no problems with open carry in NC. Hope Sgt Grisham gets well and continues to lead the Texas Advance. God Bless!
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Looking at the original issue, the Illegal actions of the police, a lawyer can argue any action they took subsequent to their initial drawing of weapons on a lawful assembly could constitute all action taken beyond that point to also be illegal. Whew, ok, meaning the OPPD were in the wrong, so ordering those there to the ground, arresting, confiscating, would also be illegal. It could also fall under the fruit of the poisoned tree excuse for denying evidence, the initial action was illegal, therefore you can't use evidence from it. This case could get interesting.
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From what you've written, overall the police were in violation but the injuries could have been avoided had the citizens complied with the initial order by the police to get on the ground. This is the kind of incident I expected when Texas passed this open carry law. I don't agree with it anyway but it's the law and the police should pay attention to it if it it's in place. My opinion, this isn't the wild west anymore and we don't need everyone walking around with a gun on their hip.
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PV2 Glen Lewis
They're lucky one of them wasn't shot. You refuse an order from a cop and you're openly armed any move might be your last. Concealed with a permit I think is safer and understand it. Open carry without a badge and it's just trouble looking to happen. I do think the police were at fault here though. I haven't watched the video. 'Don't really need to.
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SFC (Join to see)
What we have to keep in mind is that citizens have been killed while unarmed as well. There is no such thing as a perfect scenario where things will always work out in the citizen's favor as long as they are unarmed and/or unresistant, we know that is false as there is plenty of video evidence.
In my opinion, some law enforcement offices have become TOO accustomed to citizens "just going with the flow" or waiving their rights in situations where they shouldn't. They've become so accustomed to it that citizen's rights have become secondary to LE convenience. They've become so accustomed to it that when a citizen invokes their rights, some LE take personal offense to it and become aggressive.
In my opinion, some law enforcement offices have become TOO accustomed to citizens "just going with the flow" or waiving their rights in situations where they shouldn't. They've become so accustomed to it that citizen's rights have become secondary to LE convenience. They've become so accustomed to it that when a citizen invokes their rights, some LE take personal offense to it and become aggressive.
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PV2 Glen Lewis
Well you probably won't like this particular comment. My particular opinion is you are a whole lot better off complying with a cop's orders than not, simply because there are way too many of them who when they put that badge and gun on think they've become God. Not all but you never know until it's too late.
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I really don't know a whole lot about this situation. Indeed, my reading of this post was really the first I'd heard anything about it. I must say though, that Bexar County may have different laws which they may feel apply within the Texas Constitution. I'm certain there's some major legal aspects here which will have to be addressed. Ultimately the Second Amendment supersedes everything. But some people feel that the second amendment has a different meaning in that only National Guard units should be allowed to carry weapons. Others may take a different approach that only certain Firearms are allowed to the citizens of the United States. Others have a much more open definition in that American citizen should be allowed to carry any weapon they choose.
This case will probably go all the way to the Supreme Court. Just where does civil Authority begin and end when it comes to the 2nd Amendment?
This case will probably go all the way to the Supreme Court. Just where does civil Authority begin and end when it comes to the 2nd Amendment?
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