Posted on Mar 29, 2018
I have conflicting feelings over this. I know that open carry is a thing in Texas, but who crossed the line, if anyone?
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CJ Grisham, President of Open Carry Texas, Army veteran and recent candidate for State Representative in District 55, along with a couple of other people was arrested yesterday in Olmos Park, TX (Bexar County). He was tazed and subsequently injured in that arrest with a head injury and was hospitalized. I was told that the head injury was a large gash on the back of the head. He also suffered numerous scrapes on his wrists and arms.
Grisham and crew were legally opening carrying pistols and long guns in response to an event last week when an Olmos Park police officer drew guns on and detained someone with a protest sign solely for the reason of open carrying a pistol (which turned out to be a training fake).
Grisham had a phone conversation with the Olmos Park Police Chief, Rene Valenciano about their policies, etc. in which the chief seemed entirely unconcerned with his officers illegally detaining people for a perfectly legal activity. (The conversation will be linked in the comments below).
Grisham and crew went to Olmos Park yesterday and were legally and peacefully open carrying and got arrested for it. There is a video of the arrest. There was no articulated probable cause for the arrest. The police showed up, including Chief Valenciano and ordered Grisham and his crew to the ground. Grisham at least refused. It was Valenciano that personally tazed and arrested Grisham.
Between the phone call and video from the site, it's very clear this was an illegal arrest by an oath breaking police officer and they will be held accountable.
Grisham and crew were legally opening carrying pistols and long guns in response to an event last week when an Olmos Park police officer drew guns on and detained someone with a protest sign solely for the reason of open carrying a pistol (which turned out to be a training fake).
Grisham had a phone conversation with the Olmos Park Police Chief, Rene Valenciano about their policies, etc. in which the chief seemed entirely unconcerned with his officers illegally detaining people for a perfectly legal activity. (The conversation will be linked in the comments below).
Grisham and crew went to Olmos Park yesterday and were legally and peacefully open carrying and got arrested for it. There is a video of the arrest. There was no articulated probable cause for the arrest. The police showed up, including Chief Valenciano and ordered Grisham and his crew to the ground. Grisham at least refused. It was Valenciano that personally tazed and arrested Grisham.
Between the phone call and video from the site, it's very clear this was an illegal arrest by an oath breaking police officer and they will be held accountable.
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I have absolutely no idea what to say, but wow. I am from, born and raised in the great state of Kentucky. We've always been open carry. We have a vast array of wildlife and if not/nearly always NOT, for self defense purposes, but it is rather considered somewhat normal for those of us that own and work our farm land, hunt, among other things, to open carry most everyday. I have 4 children, so the above said, I don't carry on evenings we go to a birthday dinner and things of that nature LOL That said, we or I, may be in an area "an animal" for humanity's sake, needs to be put down on the spot. Many scenarios, but you run up on a snake, other wild animal or are hunting a deer and your non-military and much less accurate friend doesn't make a kill shot and you have to put the deer/other, down quickly and in hopes of saving it "the torture" <- these are just a few common reasons, at least in KY, that KY has ALWAYS been an open carry state and I have not personally ever heard nor read about such an incident as you posted. (around here locally that is, as well in a very short amount of time, anyone in the state/without a felony and or criminal record, may carry concealed with NO permit required) Only my opinion of course, but I do believe I'd make a concerted effort to avoid that "park" and it's ridiculous staff that has obvious mom and dad issues and or got beat up in school and merely using a parks and recreational badge to show some sort of "authority", per se. If many more join in and just don't go, they'd not be able to remain open. All of that said, Karma does have it's ways and it'll come back around, in time. I also agree with MSgt Hoffman, btw - Terrance
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I have a Texas License To Carry permit. My obligation to an approaching police officer is to immediately inform him/her that I have a firearm in my presence.At this time l will be instructed as to what I should do with said firearm.Unless I'm in the commission of a crime,no action will be taken by the police. Other than to ask me not to wave it around. The police at Olmos Park went there with a completely different mindset.I won't rehash what's been said here,but the police went way over the line.For those that think we In Texas still have our horses tied to the rack out front,I have yet to see anyone with a sidearm strapped to his hip.
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It's now 11/7/2019. I couldn't find any update on police chief fired or legal actions against department. I would like FACTS and not more OPINIONS.
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When I finished my first 6 years of active Military duty in the early 80s, I became a PEACE OFFICER here in Alaska. Daily, I reminded myself that I was working for everyone else in my community. Unlike a Knight who was sworn to the Laird of the local castle, my badge and position descended from early American county Sheriff's who stayed up all night and chased down criminals so the other citizens would be freed from those chores. I was not better than everyone else and ALL my fellow citizens had the same power that I did. They were simply paying me to do it , so they could pursue their regular vocations.
I spent 20 years as a Law Dawg, ( while still in the military reserves, as did my Colonial Ancestors) and I always kept my oath. But towards the end of my Peace Officer career, I noticed a radical swing in the types of people who were being hired. Many who would have NEVER passed the old psychological and personality tests, much less have been able to serve in combat boots. Due to years of EEO law suits and political pressure, many unstable or politically motivated power-freaks were sneaking through the hiring process. Eventually these junior Himmlers became hiring managers or supervisors themselves; thus they hired like minded drones or deviants who were also more than happy to stomp on the U.S. and State Constitutions in order to maintain their power positions.
I spent 20 years as a Law Dawg, ( while still in the military reserves, as did my Colonial Ancestors) and I always kept my oath. But towards the end of my Peace Officer career, I noticed a radical swing in the types of people who were being hired. Many who would have NEVER passed the old psychological and personality tests, much less have been able to serve in combat boots. Due to years of EEO law suits and political pressure, many unstable or politically motivated power-freaks were sneaking through the hiring process. Eventually these junior Himmlers became hiring managers or supervisors themselves; thus they hired like minded drones or deviants who were also more than happy to stomp on the U.S. and State Constitutions in order to maintain their power positions.
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Well, at least he won't ever need money. He won't need money for his campaign or want for anything for the rest of his life. Sue them, collect, and then throw it back in their face.
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The answer here is Simple, Quit carrying around Weapons of War, treat all Men, Women, and Children as Equal's, If I view YOU as my Equal I never need a Weapon, YOU are never a Threat to me! In my time in Vietnam I almost, almost, killed an old man, just tending to his fields, because I was in "Ambush" Position and he entered my field of Vision, and I had control of an M-60 Machine gun, and thousands of rounds of ammo, I chose instead to put on a Tracer bullet show far above his head, I doubt he ever noticed it.....
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I have a CHL, and I live in Texas. I prefer to carry concealed for many reasons however if someone doesn't want to and they legally can that's fine.
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Well what you goimg to do . Get im a shoot out wit the police . Let take ya to jIl then get out and carry your gun again.
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Fifty years ago, I shot a man dead, because a Woman lied to me and told me, "This Man is Beating on my Children" I had to go into prison, I served my time out, and vowed to never, ever carry another weapon, I have been faithful to that vow, if any man should attack me now, I will use my fist's and defeat him/her. i do not need nor desire a GUN. I am so sick of reading of man's inhumanity to man, when I go to my grave I will go naked, and alone, no guns allowed in Heaven!
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