Posted on Mar 29, 2018
SSG Jeffrey Leake
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CJ Grisham, President of Open Carry Texas, Army veteran and recent candidate for State Representative in District 55, along with a couple of other people was arrested yesterday in Olmos Park, TX (Bexar County). He was tazed and subsequently injured in that arrest with a head injury and was hospitalized. I was told that the head injury was a large gash on the back of the head. He also suffered numerous scrapes on his wrists and arms.

Grisham and crew were legally opening carrying pistols and long guns in response to an event last week when an Olmos Park police officer drew guns on and detained someone with a protest sign solely for the reason of open carrying a pistol (which turned out to be a training fake).

Grisham had a phone conversation with the Olmos Park Police Chief, Rene Valenciano about their policies, etc. in which the chief seemed entirely unconcerned with his officers illegally detaining people for a perfectly legal activity. (The conversation will be linked in the comments below).

Grisham and crew went to Olmos Park yesterday and were legally and peacefully open carrying and got arrested for it. There is a video of the arrest. There was no articulated probable cause for the arrest. The police showed up, including Chief Valenciano and ordered Grisham and his crew to the ground. Grisham at least refused. It was Valenciano that personally tazed and arrested Grisham.

Between the phone call and video from the site, it's very clear this was an illegal arrest by an oath breaking police officer and they will be held accountable.
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SSG Watis Ekthuvapranee
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The problem with law enforcement is the appearance of authority, which many mistaken himself as a law. It doesn't help when there is little or lack of training. And worse yet, the training is mainly about force to obey the law or facing force rather than enforcing. Enforcing the law doesn't mean using any kind of force alone, but to avoid using force. To do so, the enforcer must coaxing, not coercing, the agitator to subside, not submit. ... I've seen many situation where the law enforcement fails to read the situation and understand the agitator wants.

Case and point, I've seen a veteran just had his a appendix removed and probably addicted to pain killer also lashed out at the pharmacist at the VA clinic. The pharmacist called the VA police. The polices arrived and do exactly as the training taught them to do; keep suspect seated or on the ground, remain out of reach but close enough to tackle suspect, etc. Those who have has appendix removed before or having shrapnel or bullet in their gut before know until the wound is completely heal sitting on a waiting chair hurt like hell. Anyway, the suspect tried to obey, but because of the pain he could not sit very long. The suspect got up and moved. He was told to sit again. After about the forth time he got up he was arrested hand cuffed behind his back and was taken to police station.

The officers failed to:
1. recognize that the suspect had been obeying their order
2. sitting caused pain on his hip, he cannot sit on a waiting chair for long
3. the officer themselves were the instigator of the situation
4. know human nature, know yourself, know your enemy.

The lessen learnt from these kind of events and what is happening to George Floyd and other like him is that it might not be the case that the police is racist (I am sure that there are), but their training on how to deal with suspect is too rigid, too cut and dried whereas the real world situation is far more fluid than their training taught them. And don't get me starting on US check point in Iraq and the ROE for approaching vehicle, I don't have answer to that either.
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MSG Johnathan Mathes
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I'm going to throw this out there for what it was worth. Who really won with this stunt? I seem to remember having to be an example for the community. Soldiers look up to 1SGS for the most part. Here we have two hard heads who got stuck in a pissing contest, both were wrong in different ways.
there are a couple of things to keep in mind with this kind of stuff. DID you not see the arrest here in Odessa a couple of weeks ago when guys were protesting outside an establishment? Were you not warned that would happen? Were you not around when folks were killed here in Odessa last year with an AR15? how about the guy on a killing spree in El Paso? You know folks are super squirrely right now .... then you pull this kind of stunt..?there is the right way to do things and a wrong way.. I believe in the 2nd .. I believe I have the right to carry .. there is a reason you have to get licensed to carry here in TXs.. its not to flaunt.. but to be able to exercise your rights without being obtuse.. I don't like their actions carried out against the 1SG, but at the same time, he openly carried the challenge to an extreme to make a point, knowing this might be the outcome. this is still America .. you still have certain rights. One thing you always do as a Texas permitted gun owner is complying with police... Period.. you can get an attorney later and then work it in court.. sorry your heart might have been in the right place but your brain disengaged at a crucial moment.. sorry
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SPC Floyd Hall
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The police have become out of control everywhere in Our country. I did not go to combat to support an American version of nazi justice. Its past time to reel them in and make them subject to the same laws citizens are required to follow.
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PO2 Jack LaBarge
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The Chef of Police is a Appointment of the City’s MAYOR, AND AS SUCH acts as the Right Hand of the City Council, with the Blessings of the City!! Bad Police officers are allowed because of BAD MAYORS AND People that don’t Care about there Citys! Don’t like your Police? Try showing up to Your City Council meetings and Hold the m Acountable!
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SPC Floyd Hall
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PO2 Jack LaBarge Been there done that in an orderly manner, still assulted along with others.
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Sgt Frank Staples
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There is a definite problem in this country with cops who are belligerent and arrogant. Not understanding the law should be grounds for being let go. I'm surprised this kind of crap goes on in Texas.
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SGT Philip Klein
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Sgt Ed Allen
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This is what happens when petty tyrants gain power. This is also the definition of why the 2nd Amendment was listed in the US Constitution. As a reminder, the freedoms that are enumerated in the US Constitution are not granted or given to us by the US Constitution but, rather, by God almighty. The US Constitution simply states that our rights will be protected as a matter of law.

Having said that, this police chief should not only be fired, but should be brought before the court and sentenced for the violation of the rights of the citizens and held accountable for the injuries that she, and her underlings, caused. As should her underlings!

Much as you, as an American Service Member, are held accountable for your actions. If you were in combat and were given an illegal order, you would be guilty of a crime if you obeyed that order. So to these "police officers".

I look forward to hearing that Olmos Park Police Chief, Rene Valenciano (Sworn officer of the law) and her staff are fired and sent to prison or have to pay heavy civil penalties for violating their oath of office and the law.
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SPC Tim Groody
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I don’t think cops like it when they give an order, such as Get on the ground and the person doesn’t obey.
Usually from there things really go to heck.
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SMSgt Bob W.
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Not to take sides, but they better be glad the Cop tazed them. Other area Cops would have shot them them. I'm sure their is the rest of the story. Based on the above facts I see the Cops did not have just cause.
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PO2 Harold Hoffman
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I AM ALL FOR OPEN CARRY IF YOU WISH TO. BUT WE MUST FACE THE FACT THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS THAT ARE RUN BY LEFTY WACKO'S! LEFTY WACK'S TEND TO HIRE LEFTY WACKO'S TO ENFORCE THEIR VIEW OF THE LAW!! SO I PERSONALLY AM NOT GOING TO GO INTO THE LION'S DEN AND PLAY THE GAME THEIR WAY! IT WILL DO YOU NO GOOD TO GO IN TO THEIR TERRITORY AND GET THE CRAP KICKED OUT OF YOU JUST TO TRY TO PROVE A POINT!
LET THE NAGR OR THE NRA GO IN AND FIGHT THAT FIGHT! I PREFER TO CARRY CONCEALED. I JUST THINK THAT THERE IS NO REASON TO MAKE YOURSELF A TARGET! I HAVE SEEN IT TOO MANY TIMES FIRST HAND! GUYS HAVE BEEN TAKEN DOWN AND ARRESTED, AND I WAS NEVER BOTHERED BECAUSE I DID NOT OPEN CARRY. AND I AM NOT GOING TO, (in the moment0 TAKE ON 50 BULLIES WITH BADGES IN A SITUATION THAT I CANNOT WIN!
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Police officers now are only looking after their pension. . They care about safety when it is theirs, and do what they are told. When you can be fired at will and lose your pension this is what happens. It all falls down to "Whose in charge".
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