Posted on Feb 22, 2019
John Kellen
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I lied at meps . I was told I had heart murmur when I was 6 and was told that I would grow out of it little to say I didn’t they found it at meps . I have to go to a cardiologist 3 weeks from now to say if it’s a no go or not . The doctor who found it said it not a big deal and they will let me in . But I’m afraid that they will go back on my medical records and find out I lied . A bunch of others told me to just play dumb . What do you think will they look back on my medical records after finding a heart murmur ?
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SGT Don Harper
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Take it from a Army Veteran of The 101st, they will find out! You need to tell them and they probably will say that you are a no-go and you could be charged for lieing to Federal Officials and Documents. You are playing a risky game and you will lose.
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SPC Infantryman
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Honesty is your best friend big dawg. You aren’t the judge if you can be in the military. You are the judge if you want to be in the military. Lying is a snowball. It will build. Do you know about fraudulent enlistment? When I was joining my recruiter wanted me to lie about certain circumstances. I didn’t. The guy reviewing things deemed my honesty worthy of the army values and decided to turn a blind eye. He said “you clearly learned from your past. You reprimanded your mistake. You paid the consequences and moved on. I believe you will make a fine soldier if you continue this path. Now go out there and prove it also don’t make me lose my job... private (saying this as to assure me I’m no longer civilian but a soldier now).” Now imagine this circumstance. You’re doing a 20 mile movement overseas . Your heart murmur causes complications and this ruck March is killing you, you feel faint, you can’t go on, it’s not you giving up its your body failing you. Everyone else is suffering equally but they’re still moving on. Now you’re letting your future friends, soldiers, battle buddies down. Because you now require a MEDEVAC. Now you have compromised the mission. Now everyone else has to bear your burden and suffer more because YOU FUCKING LIED. There is a reason the military does not let certain individuals in. You’re not special especially in the military. The only thing special is accomplishment of the mission. After that is complete is when you can feel accomplished.

Let the doctors judge if you can serve. They have degrees and they have guidelines to follow. It is different if you didn’t know but people advising you to play dumb is inherently wrong. That is an act of commission not even omission. You’re not failing to do a good thing. You’re purposely doing the wrong.

Everything about this scenario is violating the army values. Specifically integrity which is in my opinion the most important one. It drives the other army values. Of course that same statement could be made from other points of view in other army values but that’s besides the point. I gave you my advice now do as you wish
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SFC Oddie Brown
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Honesty is the best policy. You will hear that a lot in the army. You could be charged with fraudulent enlistment but that is up to the powers that be. I wish you well and hope you get in. Going forward always do the hard right over the easy wrong.
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LCDR Chris Meyer
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Honesty in the military, as with life, is a big deal. It’s a test of your integrity and trust to do the right thing. It could evolve into making a critical choice down the line. I understand human nature enough to recognize what passion and desire can do to influence your life. It can cause you to make bad choices. Now....if you are are called in for questioning, DO NOT make the same mistake again. Be upfront and honest. Know that the best way to learn a lesson is to make mistakes. Just don’t make that a habit; it only goes so far. If you have proven yourself to be a quaility sailor, worth keeping in the USN, your demonstrated prior choice may be overlooked. There are no guarantees. So take the course of honesty and humility from now on. Don’t take the advice of others to double down on lies and distrust. In the long run it’s just not worth it. Good luck!
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PO2 Gerry Tandberg
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A heart murmur is often s hole between chambers in the heart. There are a variety of heart murmur's ranging from mild to more serious. Generally, they are detected by listening to you heart beat with a stethoscope. As many as 70% of school age children have heart murmur's and eventually they closeup or go away and the symptoms dissappear. My daughter had a serious heart defect that required open heart surgery as an infant. A whole in her heart (murmur) actually was an asset in allowing oxygenated blood from her lungs to mix with the non-oxygenated blood from her body until the far more serious defect could be repaired by surgery. By the time she was eight years old the whole had closed up. I would not be concerned about a MEPS evaluation. Most kids probably would not even know they had a childhood heart murmur. If they did the military would have to discharge half of all those who serve. If your doctor can not detect a murmur, then I would not worry about it.
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Jerry Rivas
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So.....Coming on a public forum seemed like a good idea?
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PO1 James White
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They will now.
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SPC Dave Behrens
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I'm not going to say lying is ever "right", but I think there's a difference between lying because you want to serve and have a possible medical condition through no fault of your own and, say, maybe some actions in the past you don't want people to find out about. I know lying on your entry paperwork is grounds for discipline, possible expulsion, and against Army values, but I also know recruitment NCOs in the 80's (when I signed up) would openly say "if you put that on your paperwork you won't get in or get this MOS or that security clearance" and submit whatever you decided knowing it might be false.
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PVT Leighton Bader
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I'd say if you can take this down now.
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SGT Joseph Jones
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First off this is the only proof they have access to that you lied. You do know what patients rights are correct? Unless you told them who your doctor is and that you go regularly they had no way of knowing until now. Why would you post this? Regardless if you knew or not if the Dr said it won’t stop you from enlisting they aren’t investigating you they are going to do a medical evaluation to see if you meet the standard. I was a recruiter for the last bit of my enlistment and the advice I’ve always heard was keep your mouth shut and don’t post on public sites. You need to delete this shit and hope no one screen shot it.
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