Posted on Feb 22, 2019
John Kellen
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I lied at meps . I was told I had heart murmur when I was 6 and was told that I would grow out of it little to say I didn’t they found it at meps . I have to go to a cardiologist 3 weeks from now to say if it’s a no go or not . The doctor who found it said it not a big deal and they will let me in . But I’m afraid that they will go back on my medical records and find out I lied . A bunch of others told me to just play dumb . What do you think will they look back on my medical records after finding a heart murmur ?
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TSgt Franklin Tiller
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John I am a retired Air Force veteran and my last 10 years I was in recruiting and worked at MEPS 6 of my last years. I was the SLNCO at MEPS in Fargo, ND. After my first 4 years I got out of the Air Force and was told I had a heart murmur. After 3 years I decided to reenter the Air Force and it did not stop me from reentering the Air Force. I have enlisted many of people who had heart murmurs. For them to not let you enter will depend on how bad the murmur is. That's why they want a cardiologist to check you out. If I was you I would mention to the cardiologist that when you were very young you had a heart murmur and the doctor thought you would grow out of it. I doubt they will put that much investigation your medical from years ago.
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SPC Toby Myers
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While we do not know what exactly occurred at the MEPS station, I can only guess what happened when I went to MEPS. I have had asthma my entire life. It was only later in life that it was determined that my asthma was caused by a severe bronchial infection that I had as an infant and that it will never get better and only get worse. Now back to my story at MEPS, I initially listed my asthma on my medical history paperwork. I was pulled aside by a medical assistant and questioned about it and then sent in to see the physician. The physician gave me new paperwork to fill out and then dictated a short statement for me to write on my medical history. It went something along the lines of, "I was told that as an infant I was diagnosed with asthma." Being a very young person, I was at MEPS on my 17th birthday (the recruiter had my mom post-date her signature on my age waiver..ha), I did as I was told. In hindsight, I should have never been permitted to join the Army. I struggled in basic training with the run and later in my enlistment, I was put on a permanent PIII profile and then ultimately received a medical discharge just short of the end of my full enlistment.

Given my personal experience, 27 years ago, I can only speculate what exactly happened to this young man at MEPS. This does not mitigate the fact that he lied on his intake forms. A heart murmur does not necessarily bar you from enlistment. It is dependent on the severity of the murmur. He should not have omitted his heart murmur.
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TSgt Franklin Tiller
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SPC Toby Myers what they did at your MEPS was totally illegal. Your recruiter probably under heavy pressure to meet his quota and perhaps his recruiting company. The Doctor could be fired and the recruiter be court martialed. Some how they managed to cover it up and you are lucky they didn't court martial you.
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SPC Toby Myers
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I don't know that it was illegal. However it was extremely unethical. As for "covering it up," there was nothing to cover up. The documentation was legitimate.

I would be willing to speculate that there were many unethical practices that went on in the recruitment process and probably still are today to some point.
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SGT Behavioral Health Specialist
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I think you took play dumb a little further than they meant.
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SrA Hal Nelson
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My 4th year in the Air Force I was assigned to a group that was on standby to travel anywhere at a moment's notice. Upon reporting in I was sent for a flight physical. After 3 years service, I was told I had a heart murmur and was ineligible for flight pay. I questioned what would become of me, since flying was now a requirement of my job. The doctor told me I would still do the assignment, but not receive flight pay.
A year later, at my discharge physical, I was told I was perfectly healthy. I asked about the heart murmur, and the doctor said "What murmur?"
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SSgt Rick Erens
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Did they check your heart at MEPS? I'm sure they would've heard the murmur. As your cardiologist said, you can grow out of it.
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PFC Russell W
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If everyone told the truth at MEPS, there would be no soldiers. Have you ever broken a bone? No. Sternum, ribs, and clavicle broken wrestling and playing hockey. A recruiter told me "I wont tell you to lie but they're only going to look into what you tell them". But if you have a significant murmur they would find it eventually anyway.
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TSgt Franklin Tiller
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PFC R W I respectfully disagree with you. I worked at MEPS and never once told a lie or asked a person to lie. In fact I was straight forward and reminded that they could be go to prison if they were caught in their lie. Usually this scared them into telling thee truth.
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PFC Russell W
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TSgt Franklin Tiller
Most recruiters and MEPS staff wont tell anyone to lie so I'm sure you didn't. I went thru MEPS twice, the second time trying to reenlist and I saw a few guys disqualify themself and one cried because he knew he screwed up opening his mouth.There would be very few soldiers who would get thru the ridiculous medical questions if they told the truth about their childhood falls etc Almost every adult has experienced SOMETHING on that questionnaire. It's about omitting illnesses etc not lying if you're a criminal or cocaine user. Btw SF guys I knew were notorious drunks, so great soldiers dont have to be perfect model citizens.
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SGT John Graham
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When my son wanted to follow the family tradition of military service. he was concerned about a small spinal bifida. I advised him not to lie about his medical condition if directly asked. Long story short, they didn't ask and he didn't tell. It was discovered only after a shoulder injury during basic training. He was subsequently medically discharged after basic. He was taking basic as a 17 yr. old between his jr. and sr. year of high school. I'm proud of him for trying.
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SSG Angela Scharf
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WOW is all I can say......
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Everyone has stated it, so I won’t reiterate that this is a public forum. But you shouldn’t lie about health conditions to MEPs. They always find that stuff. Are they going to go through your records? Probably not. But if you tell the truth, you’d be surprised how much they’re are willing to work with you to get you in. There’s a waiver for most issues, if you can be patient and honest.
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TSgt Gerald Wilson
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Good grief. That has to be a fake question...
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