Posted on Feb 22, 2019
I lied at MEPS. Will they go back and look through my medical records?
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I lied at meps . I was told I had heart murmur when I was 6 and was told that I would grow out of it little to say I didn’t they found it at meps . I have to go to a cardiologist 3 weeks from now to say if it’s a no go or not . The doctor who found it said it not a big deal and they will let me in . But I’m afraid that they will go back on my medical records and find out I lied . A bunch of others told me to just play dumb . What do you think will they look back on my medical records after finding a heart murmur ?
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Be honest by saying you were told you would grow out of it and thought you did. A heart murmur is not automatically disqualifying.
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In response the question “do I think he intentionally lied to get away with something”? My reply is YES, he did intentionally lie to get away with something. He lied to the MEPS about a medical condition to attempt to join the military. It’s right there in his comments. It’s not a lie until somebody knows about it; now this entire community knows about it.
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1st thing I would do is not go on a website full of military people, both active and retired, and admit you lied. I don't advise lying but since you already have: They will do their own evaluation of your current condition and are unlikely to consult your civilian medical records. If they do, just because your Doctor and Parents knew of a condition you had at 6 years old (and were expected to grow out of it), doesn't mean they told you about it. You had plausible deniability before coming here and making a public admission, and a medical separation was more probably than disciplinary action for lying.
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First of all, you lied. And you lied at MEPS...where you ENTER the military. Seeing as you knew about your previous condition (hence, you admitted it) and you may not have told the MEPS medical team verbally that you had a heart murmur, but when you fill out your DD Form 2807-2, there is a question under Section II about your Heart. The first question is "Heart murmur, valve problem or mitral valve prolapse" and you checked "no" on this I presume since you said that you lied. That's falsifying legal military documentation that stays with your records forever, and yes, you can get into trouble for this.
Secondly, will they look into your records to find your falsifying information? Well, that would depend on your command and how astute they are or if your medical facility probes into your past. If you don't get into trouble for this, I would be very surprised. I work at MEPS and I have seen where AFTER a person has shipped and are actually at BCT, they're pulled out. Check out Article 107 of the UCMJ! Good Luck dude!
Secondly, will they look into your records to find your falsifying information? Well, that would depend on your command and how astute they are or if your medical facility probes into your past. If you don't get into trouble for this, I would be very surprised. I work at MEPS and I have seen where AFTER a person has shipped and are actually at BCT, they're pulled out. Check out Article 107 of the UCMJ! Good Luck dude!
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If you do get in and then later on you have problems, then yes they can go back and you may even be subject to a discharge. Not sure if it will be bad conduct or general. Either way its not a good situation to be in.
As a former medical NCO, i have seen this same story play out, it depends on your chain of command.
As a former medical NCO, i have seen this same story play out, it depends on your chain of command.
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Prior to my retirement I was the SLNCO for the US Air Force at the Fargo, ND MEPS. You did sign a legal document telling that branch of service all your answers was the truth therefore if you lied you can be punished legally. I had a heart murmur while serving in the Air Force so if it is a minor murmur it probably will not stop you from enlisting. I had gotten out at the end of my four year enlistment and re-entered the Air Four years later and they knew about my heart murmur. A lot has changed since my retirement for Air Force enlistment. If anything stops you it would be the lie you told which you could be charged for perjury.
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I had a congenital heart murmur which I disclosed and it did not disqualify me.
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It's a good probability that you will be asked to leave. Then again, it might not be as serious as you think. I would recommend that you fess up and accept whatever consequences that may come about. Honor and Integrity are virtues that many preach but few are able to live by in their daily life. If you choose to be truthful, you'll be okay.
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I had a heart murmur as a young child. I honestly don't recall being asked about it at MEPS in 1989. A few years later when I had to do another physical for OCS I was asked about any previous heart conditions. For a split second I worried about what it could mean for getting into OCS and then I told them at one time I did. They checked me out and moved me down the line. I don't care how much you want in, there is this thing we have called the Army Values. You don't lie to your superiors or your buddies! You lied for a selfish reason. What are you going to lie about next? And for those that told you to "play dumb". You may need to do some deep thinking about who you are and what kind of advice you will accept and follow from others. You are in for a hard life if you take such bad advice.
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Look man, I'm definately not going to condone lying.
However, the way I see it is will your condition cause others to get killed or make it so you aren't fit to properly fight?
If the answer is yes, you shouldn't join, period.
Again, I'm not saying to lie. You should be as honest as possible. Buy if they don't ask, there's no reason to bring it up.
MEPS is pretty good at finding stuff. Part of their job is disqualifying people who shouldn't be in.
If they don't see anything glaringly wrong, I don't see why you shouldn't be able to join.
However, the way I see it is will your condition cause others to get killed or make it so you aren't fit to properly fight?
If the answer is yes, you shouldn't join, period.
Again, I'm not saying to lie. You should be as honest as possible. Buy if they don't ask, there's no reason to bring it up.
MEPS is pretty good at finding stuff. Part of their job is disqualifying people who shouldn't be in.
If they don't see anything glaringly wrong, I don't see why you shouldn't be able to join.
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