Posted on Oct 21, 2016
“I'm going to fail height-weight on purpose and get booted” – how would you handle this?
144K
1.21K
412
135
135
0
This actually happened to me while I was a battery XO in Hawaii. My brigade had just gotten back from OIF and we were in that weird period of tons of people leaving the unit, and tons of new people coming in. I was in the motor pool like a good XO and one of the guys came up to me and asked to chat in private – he was a SPC (E-4) who was on soft shoe profile and had been for a few months. He was also on some PT profile, which many were skeptical of but that’s not the point. He was also quite overweight and in bad physical shape.
“I don’t want to be in the Army anymore,” he told me. “I’m just planning to keep failing height-weight over and over until I get booted out.” So I talked with him and we went back and forth about what’s really going on with him, etc. But he just stayed firm on: (1) wanting to get out of the Army ASAP; and (2) planning to put no effort into passing height-weight, to get booted.
Obviously I know what actions I took here but I don’t want to spoil it for everyone. How would you have responded in this situation?
“I don’t want to be in the Army anymore,” he told me. “I’m just planning to keep failing height-weight over and over until I get booted out.” So I talked with him and we went back and forth about what’s really going on with him, etc. But he just stayed firm on: (1) wanting to get out of the Army ASAP; and (2) planning to put no effort into passing height-weight, to get booted.
Obviously I know what actions I took here but I don’t want to spoil it for everyone. How would you have responded in this situation?
Posted 9 y ago
Responses: 259
I was the opposite case when I was in the service. After my Army service I went back to Texas to complete my college education. While attending University of Texas at El Paso, I was approached by AF ROTC; they waived me attending the Advanced Camp and I compressed the upper two years of my training in one school year. Upon graduation I was commissioned as a 2nd Lt and assigned to Tinker AFB, OK working on the E-3A AWACS as a software engineer.
A back injury while in the Army (broke my back in 2 places on a parachute jump) started acting up and I wasn't able to keep up with my physical conditioning. This continued for the next 6 years until 1990 when I was assigned to Officer Training School to work in the computer center. I'm now on the weight management program and OTS had a policy that you had to be 10% under your max weight to not be on the program.
I was on a medical profile for no running/standing/sitting/walking for extended periods. I'm taking all sorts of opiate pain killers and, being single, had to be hospitalized or present for duty. I'm driving to work each day bombed out of my mind. The chief orthopedic surgeon at Wilford Hall refused to operate saying I only had a 50% chance of surviving the surgery. Finally, late in 1992 word came down that OTS was being relocated to Maxwell AFB, AL (Air University). As I was on the weight management program, I would not be able to make the move to Maxwell, nor could I be reassigned to a unit at Lackland AFB. so with 18 1/2 years total time I separated under the VSP program. I received a sizable separation bonus (O-3E over 4) which the VA withheld my disability payments until the government recouped the money paid to me. I finally started receiving my payments in August when I went up to 80% disabled.
I love my job and I loved serving my country, so I have no sympathy for this dirtbag. I say "Get rid of him now and bring a deserving young troop up in his place".
A back injury while in the Army (broke my back in 2 places on a parachute jump) started acting up and I wasn't able to keep up with my physical conditioning. This continued for the next 6 years until 1990 when I was assigned to Officer Training School to work in the computer center. I'm now on the weight management program and OTS had a policy that you had to be 10% under your max weight to not be on the program.
I was on a medical profile for no running/standing/sitting/walking for extended periods. I'm taking all sorts of opiate pain killers and, being single, had to be hospitalized or present for duty. I'm driving to work each day bombed out of my mind. The chief orthopedic surgeon at Wilford Hall refused to operate saying I only had a 50% chance of surviving the surgery. Finally, late in 1992 word came down that OTS was being relocated to Maxwell AFB, AL (Air University). As I was on the weight management program, I would not be able to make the move to Maxwell, nor could I be reassigned to a unit at Lackland AFB. so with 18 1/2 years total time I separated under the VSP program. I received a sizable separation bonus (O-3E over 4) which the VA withheld my disability payments until the government recouped the money paid to me. I finally started receiving my payments in August when I went up to 80% disabled.
I love my job and I loved serving my country, so I have no sympathy for this dirtbag. I say "Get rid of him now and bring a deserving young troop up in his place".
(0)
(0)
Send to your senior SNCO for an attitude adjustment, assign to the "Fat Body" platoon, NJP.
(0)
(0)
You shouldn't have ever wasted your and the Army's time. Have a good time in the civilian world!
(0)
(0)
I have to say, this upsets me. I myself did everything possible to stay in. I was Retired due to injuries in Combat. I never was able to get back in shape to keep my job. This kid has the opportunity to fulfill his Enlightenment till the last day, and be able to look bake and say he served with Honor. No the Army is not for everyone but you must fulfill your contract.
(0)
(0)
My first thought on this post was if one of my guys talked to the xo without talking about his desires to me first he would wish he had never joined HOWEVER I would have offered the xo a cup of coffee to leave my work center and allow me to handle the guys then I would have got to the root of the problem before making any decisions ,NO ONE GETS LEFT BEHIND EVEN THE FAT KIDS.
(0)
(0)
Cpt
A: What was his performance reports like?
B : What was his job/skill performance like ?
C; If those numbers were right ,time to for the two of you to go somewhere and have a long talk to find what is the real problem
1; too much time TDY to war zones
2; Wife/gf rideing him about being gone, no money
3; shop/workgroup chife treating as a rented mule
4; higher Hq Fubaring the mission
Once you have the answer then you can work on fixing the troop
A: What was his performance reports like?
B : What was his job/skill performance like ?
C; If those numbers were right ,time to for the two of you to go somewhere and have a long talk to find what is the real problem
1; too much time TDY to war zones
2; Wife/gf rideing him about being gone, no money
3; shop/workgroup chife treating as a rented mule
4; higher Hq Fubaring the mission
Once you have the answer then you can work on fixing the troop
(0)
(0)
Tell him, 'Don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you' and then walk away. Don't waste your time trying to help someone that doesn't want to help himself. The only time you'll waste is on the separation paperwork.
(0)
(0)
First and foremost try to understand his reason to want out,second treat him with dignity as his issue is performance due to failure to follow standards for Army position, not bad individual what a guidance provided by LTG Akerman when I was a company commander.
(0)
(0)
Extra PT( clerks pt test,old school) training that is documented. We are going to see if the e-4 is committed to his oath.
(0)
(0)
Read This Next


Height and Weight
Army Regulations
UCMJ
