Posted on Oct 21, 2016
“I'm going to fail height-weight on purpose and get booted” – how would you handle this?
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This actually happened to me while I was a battery XO in Hawaii. My brigade had just gotten back from OIF and we were in that weird period of tons of people leaving the unit, and tons of new people coming in. I was in the motor pool like a good XO and one of the guys came up to me and asked to chat in private – he was a SPC (E-4) who was on soft shoe profile and had been for a few months. He was also on some PT profile, which many were skeptical of but that’s not the point. He was also quite overweight and in bad physical shape.
“I don’t want to be in the Army anymore,” he told me. “I’m just planning to keep failing height-weight over and over until I get booted out.” So I talked with him and we went back and forth about what’s really going on with him, etc. But he just stayed firm on: (1) wanting to get out of the Army ASAP; and (2) planning to put no effort into passing height-weight, to get booted.
Obviously I know what actions I took here but I don’t want to spoil it for everyone. How would you have responded in this situation?
“I don’t want to be in the Army anymore,” he told me. “I’m just planning to keep failing height-weight over and over until I get booted out.” So I talked with him and we went back and forth about what’s really going on with him, etc. But he just stayed firm on: (1) wanting to get out of the Army ASAP; and (2) planning to put no effort into passing height-weight, to get booted.
Obviously I know what actions I took here but I don’t want to spoil it for everyone. How would you have responded in this situation?
Height and Weight
Army Regulations
UCMJ
Posted 9 y ago
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First, if he doesn't want to participate, forced participation could negatively affect the members of his unit and undermine morale. Standards must be upheld, so I would recommend discharge, but not an easy one. This member is malingering, and intentionally failing to meet standards. I would invoke every relevant UCMJ Article I could and recommend to my 1stSgt that charges be brought against this member for his dishonorable conduct.
Article 92 Failure to Obey Order or Regulation
Article 115 Malingering
Article 134 General Article
Burn his malingering tail
Article 92 Failure to Obey Order or Regulation
Article 115 Malingering
Article 134 General Article
Burn his malingering tail
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When most of your troops are draftee and have very little respect for lifers with NO CIVILLIAN OCCPATION . I let them know that this was my home and I would be their worst lifer and NCO because I live here and it was home and I was here 24 / 7 . They soon found out it was easer to make it their home to . Because a lifer and a NCO can be a pain in the butt when he rule the roost 24/ 7 and all their time rear end belongs to me a lifer and a NCO sign 40 yards
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did he look into the pros and con jobs in the civilian world some of the places are not hiring I bet he didn't think about his health he can end up with diabetes, high blood pressure, cholesterol these are the serious issue at the end he will regret his decision
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Sounds like a case for some UCMJ and a bad conduct discharge. Mind you I would counsel the shit bird and make sure they know a BCD is coming their way and that they won't be just "getting out". Getting out will come with consequences that can affect their life once out.
You would have to process the charges quickly though before some of your more impressionable E-2's and E-3's get any ideas.
I mean the Big Chicken Dinner is not a Dead Duck Dinner but I don't think many places will hire you with one. No VA, no Fed jobs, no nothing and possible brig time.
You would have to process the charges quickly though before some of your more impressionable E-2's and E-3's get any ideas.
I mean the Big Chicken Dinner is not a Dead Duck Dinner but I don't think many places will hire you with one. No VA, no Fed jobs, no nothing and possible brig time.
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see you don't treat soldier like that there is something going on do not assume yes some are not a great soldier but if you a soldier who has a lot of potential then work with them
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My brother did this shit when he was in the Navy. He regrets it completely.
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I would have sent him to a Medical Eval, physical, bloodwork, let the Doctors see if there is something Medically wrong with him. If it is all clear, Then I would motivate him with a full duty day until he left the service, providing he didnt have any Psychological issues either. Pt 7 days a week. O600 to 2200 everyday of the week.
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