Posted on Jun 23, 2019
I need help finding my CIB award orders. I have called so many places and have almost given up. Can anyone help me please?
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Is there anywhere that would possible still have a copy of my award? I have called my Troop's S-1 and they told me they couldn't help me. I've contacted HRC, it isn't on iPerms at all ( almost nothing is except basic training and airborne school.), and I have even resorted to asking my state senator for help. He couldn't find anything either. Is there anything I am missing?
I was stationed at Fort Bragg, NC. 82nd Airborne Division. 1st BCT, 3-73Cav Alpha Troop. Attached to the scout unit as an 11C.
Please help, I really don't want to admit that there is no proof of the most important / terrible thing that I have been involved in.
I was stationed at Fort Bragg, NC. 82nd Airborne Division. 1st BCT, 3-73Cav Alpha Troop. Attached to the scout unit as an 11C.
Please help, I really don't want to admit that there is no proof of the most important / terrible thing that I have been involved in.
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Often orders for awards have multiple soldiers listed. Contact soliders in your unit who received award in the same timeframe as you. See if you are on the same order. Off chance but you never know.
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LTC Jason Mackay
SPC Jared Kline - if they were involved the same qualifying incident but don't have you listed on their orders, see if they'll write a witness statement to the effect of you being there and otherwise involved in the action that satisfies the CIB criteria in 600-8-22. Two should be sufficient to retroactively award the badge. Para 1-14 or 1-15 in 600-8-22 outlines procedures.
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SPC Jared Kline the issuing HQ was your Brigade. CIB and CAB orders are in a format 200 permanent orders. It doesn't look like anything. It's half a sheet of plain 8 1/2 x 11 letter paper, likely signed by the Adjutant at Brigade S1. There is no big flashy certificate. If someone shows you theirs, it was obtained commercially and not an official document. AR600-8-22 para 10-11 authorizes a certificate for the badge but doesn't specify. I haven't seen it done that way in practice. Your Troop won't know anything unless someone who was there with you remembers. The issuing HQ are supposed to retain said orders, hence permanent orders. If your Brigade deactivated or realigned, then Division G1 would have their legacy records. I.e. 1st Brigade 82d now may not have been 1st Brigade 82d in the past.
Was the CIB listed on your DD214? That should make the next step easier. Also that should suffice for any burden of proof that you were there.
NPRC doesn't have your records either? Google NPRC vetrecs. Request a complete set of you records from NPRC.
If that doesn't work, look at AR 600-8-22, get two witness statements describing the actions IAW 600-8-22 and submit a request for the decoration from HRC. Be sure to include that you'd already been awarded the CIB but never got the permanent orders.
Was the CIB listed on your DD214? That should make the next step easier. Also that should suffice for any burden of proof that you were there.
NPRC doesn't have your records either? Google NPRC vetrecs. Request a complete set of you records from NPRC.
If that doesn't work, look at AR 600-8-22, get two witness statements describing the actions IAW 600-8-22 and submit a request for the decoration from HRC. Be sure to include that you'd already been awarded the CIB but never got the permanent orders.
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Hmm, you could try this as well. I know it says "Awards and Decorations" but anything is worth a shot if it means that much to you, which I'm sure it does. I would imagine they are kept on record somewhere, seeing how the CIB is a badge protected by the Stolen Valor Act of 2013. The government would need some recoverable way to verify they exist, aside from a single physical copy of the orders that a Soldier might lose.
https://www.archives.gov/veterans/replace-medals
https://www.archives.gov/veterans/replace-medals
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I suggest that you contact milConnect, get an account and download your OMPF.
If you do not have a milConnect login go to the following webpage at the VA.gov site first -
https://www.va.gov/records/get-military-service-records/
https://milconnect.dmdc.osd.mil/milconnect/
If you do not have a milConnect login go to the following webpage at the VA.gov site first -
https://www.va.gov/records/get-military-service-records/
https://milconnect.dmdc.osd.mil/milconnect/
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SPC Jared Kline I have re-read your post and noticed a possible reason why you do not have CIB award orders. First - the 3/73d Cav is not an Infantry unit. Second the unit is primarily manned by 19Ds (Cavalry Scouts), not 11Xs.
Were the 19Ds awarded CABs? If so, that is what you would have been awarded also. Just because you were an 11C at the time does not warrant the award of a CIB.
I think that you probably should have been awarded the CAB. If the members of the unit were awarded CABs, and you were attached to the unit, you may have been missed/forgotten when the orders were cut. And others attached to the unit may have been missed also. If this is the case you will need to prove that you were attached to the unit and that others were awarded the CAB. Good luck!
Below are excerpts from AR 600-8-22.
8–6. Combat Infantryman Badge a. For award of the CIB a Soldier must meet the following three requirements:
(1) Be an infantryman satisfactorily performing infantry duties.
(2) Assigned to an infantry unit during such time as the unit is engaged in active ground combat.
(3) Actively participate in such ground combat. Campaign or battle credit alone is not sufficient for award of the CIB.
As far as the CAB goes:
(4) Soldier must not be assigned or attached to a unit that would qualify the Soldier for the CIB and/or CMB. For example, an infantryman (MOS 11B) assigned to Corps staff is eligible for award of the CAB. However, an infantryman assigned to an infantry BN is not eligible for award of the CAB.
Were the 19Ds awarded CABs? If so, that is what you would have been awarded also. Just because you were an 11C at the time does not warrant the award of a CIB.
I think that you probably should have been awarded the CAB. If the members of the unit were awarded CABs, and you were attached to the unit, you may have been missed/forgotten when the orders were cut. And others attached to the unit may have been missed also. If this is the case you will need to prove that you were attached to the unit and that others were awarded the CAB. Good luck!
Below are excerpts from AR 600-8-22.
8–6. Combat Infantryman Badge a. For award of the CIB a Soldier must meet the following three requirements:
(1) Be an infantryman satisfactorily performing infantry duties.
(2) Assigned to an infantry unit during such time as the unit is engaged in active ground combat.
(3) Actively participate in such ground combat. Campaign or battle credit alone is not sufficient for award of the CIB.
As far as the CAB goes:
(4) Soldier must not be assigned or attached to a unit that would qualify the Soldier for the CIB and/or CMB. For example, an infantryman (MOS 11B) assigned to Corps staff is eligible for award of the CAB. However, an infantryman assigned to an infantry BN is not eligible for award of the CAB.
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Double check with the next higher Command- ie. BN mass orders end up in Division- they nay have a copy. Check to find folks you served with to see if it was a mass unit order.
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LTC Jason Mackay
SPC Jared Kline - then why in the wide wide world of sports did you sign your 214?
Once you get your CIB orders, scrub your 214 and do a request through NPRC to get a 215 with your missing decorations. I'd also check your DD214 to ensure all the overseas service data is correct, both on the table on the right, and the narrative listing Combat service and the associated date range.
Once you get your CIB orders, scrub your 214 and do a request through NPRC to get a 215 with your missing decorations. I'd also check your DD214 to ensure all the overseas service data is correct, both on the table on the right, and the narrative listing Combat service and the associated date range.
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