Posted on May 9, 2016
If a solder's room is dirty and he's on leave, can the chain of command box his personal items up as punishment?
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1: The chain of command does not "punish' The chain of command may decide that for an observed violation of UCMJ or established (meaning written and common to all) policy that actions under NJP are warranted. The commander conveniing the ART15 or court martial hearing after deciding the guilt of the SM, may then elect to impose punishment.
2: If there is personal property left unsecured not IAW an established policy (say for SM on leave), then sure the CDR can direct a team conduct an inventory, and secure the property. That is not punishment (well maybe on the team tasked it would be) Supply Sgt, PSG and PL, would commonly be tasked with that duty. More so as it was thier job to inspect the SM and his room before he departed on leave.
But that is Not "punishment", though it may come later in response to the SM not cleaning the space and securing property before going on leave IAW established policy.
3: What would the desired outcome and or goal be of this "boxing up" the Sm's property... How will that correct the issue observed?
if it is a single SM room, no common shared space and I did not need the room for another SM. I would have the platoon leadership document the concern, lock up and await the SM's return. Where there would be some discussion, retraining and or NJP to correct the issue.. and the platoon NCO's would get to enjoy the bulk of the work to facilitate that planning, training and execution as they FAILED to supervise and enforce the policy and procedures.
2: If there is personal property left unsecured not IAW an established policy (say for SM on leave), then sure the CDR can direct a team conduct an inventory, and secure the property. That is not punishment (well maybe on the team tasked it would be) Supply Sgt, PSG and PL, would commonly be tasked with that duty. More so as it was thier job to inspect the SM and his room before he departed on leave.
But that is Not "punishment", though it may come later in response to the SM not cleaning the space and securing property before going on leave IAW established policy.
3: What would the desired outcome and or goal be of this "boxing up" the Sm's property... How will that correct the issue observed?
if it is a single SM room, no common shared space and I did not need the room for another SM. I would have the platoon leadership document the concern, lock up and await the SM's return. Where there would be some discussion, retraining and or NJP to correct the issue.. and the platoon NCO's would get to enjoy the bulk of the work to facilitate that planning, training and execution as they FAILED to supervise and enforce the policy and procedures.
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Well written response SGM, I agree with you 100%. That is as much a leader failure as a Soldier failure. If I were the Company 1SG, I would ensure the NCO's got a little love to for allowing Soldiers to live like slobs in my barracks.
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SPC Scott Verdin
From what I remember the soldiers room was inspected before going on leave which happened to me more than once. So how can this even be an issue.
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SSgt Jamie Ritter LeBlanc
My aunt left a note saying Rusk county has shut down my room for health violations, haha
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I think it depends on how dirty and how many times the soldier has been counceled either by verbal or paper... I would say it could be hazing without no counceling and warning to the soldier... It is just my opinion, I have been in the TRADOC for 4 years, DS would get in trouble just flip soldiers' mattesses because their beds were not made and we just flipped them to make them learn...
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Hazing? This would not be considered hazing, you have to enforce standards at all times. If you do you integration counseling properly it will cover all regulations and policies. I was an AIT Platoon Sergeant in TRADOC and the problem is based on the NCO's ability to ensure the Soldiers understand all the policies. NCO's need to be relevant and able to convey information and a deliberate manner. All these terms being thrown around like "Hazing" in taking the power away from the NCO and making them scared to do their job, which is to "Enforce the Standard" governed by the military...
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