Posted on Feb 9, 2014
If a soldier isn't competent enough to set up their own ASU, why keep them in the service?
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Somebody tell me something, I know this isn't as important as some of the discussions we have but I think it has to be addressed. If a soldier isn't competent enough to set up their own ASU (minus the look over by their leadership to check for minor adjustments), why are they in the service if they can't complete such a task?
Something so simple especially with all the technology, the infamous AR 670-1, and almost EVERYTHING being available provided by Google. I understand we're suppose to be there for our battle buddies and our soldiers, but DAMN! These soldiers act like they never learned how to set up their uniforms in basic training. Give me your input and opinion on this matter because I kind of find it pathetic.
Something so simple especially with all the technology, the infamous AR 670-1, and almost EVERYTHING being available provided by Google. I understand we're suppose to be there for our battle buddies and our soldiers, but DAMN! These soldiers act like they never learned how to set up their uniforms in basic training. Give me your input and opinion on this matter because I kind of find it pathetic.
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<p>For years, I posted the quote below (Reasons for Human Failure) at the bottom of all of my e-mails. I did this for various reasons but, I did it specifically as a reminder to myself because of the observed incompetence displayed by some of my peers and superiors throughout my career. </p><p><br></p><p>So, after reading the header/title of this discussion and all of the responses, I had to share it. I believe in taking responsibility for your actions or the lack thereof. Lastly, it is important to understand that incompetence has consequences which affect all ranks and all MOSs alike. </p><p><br></p><p>Reasons for Human Failure: <br>When standards do not exist -Command Failure. <br>When standards exist and are not known -Training Failure. <br>When standards exist, are known, and not enforced -Leader Failure. <br>When standards exist, are known, and not followed -Individual Failure.</p><p><br></p>
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Rarely do you ever see something broken down so well. Blew my mind. Thank you MSG Hendricks.
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It is one thing to have the all of the information at hand, but there never is a substitute for experience. Younger Soldiers simply do not have the experience of repeatedly setting up their uniforms, the way that some of us have.
At the same time though, it is the responsibility of us as leaders to guide and mentor these Soldiers to set them up for success. Rather than look down on them for something they can't do, buck up as a leader and show them how it's done.
At the same time though, it is the responsibility of us as leaders to guide and mentor these Soldiers to set them up for success. Rather than look down on them for something they can't do, buck up as a leader and show them how it's done.
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MSG Hawkins, to be blunt I am insulted by your false insinuation that I would have the Soldier cleaning toilets. I am NOT that type of NCO. What I WOULD do is exactly what I stated above. I would SHOW the Soldier or junior NCO what right looks like. I would take the TIME, as an NCO is suppose to do, to help that Soldier as well as point them in the right direction in the regulation. Not every Soldier or NCO learns in the exact same way. On a professional level, I rely on my fellow Supply Sergeants for things I may not know or understand just as I am more than willing to help them out because we are all a TEAM here. I would do the same for my Seniors too.
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ill chime in with this... SFC Busko, it is not right to say that the MSG is "toxic" and "attempting to browbeat individuals without
knowing a single thing about them". Using your own description, you fall into that category.(unless you both DO know each other, then disregard...) We do all have opinions and are free to express them, AS WE ARE ALL AWARE, (im not trying to preach to ANYONE here) but she expressed her opinion, right or wrong in someone else's eyes, she doesn't deserve to be berated for expressing hers either. Two cents deposited and remarks complete.
knowing a single thing about them". Using your own description, you fall into that category.(unless you both DO know each other, then disregard...) We do all have opinions and are free to express them, AS WE ARE ALL AWARE, (im not trying to preach to ANYONE here) but she expressed her opinion, right or wrong in someone else's eyes, she doesn't deserve to be berated for expressing hers either. Two cents deposited and remarks complete.
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Thank you SSG Broadbent for understanding and illustrating my point. If it doesn't sound any better coming from me toward the MSG, then how does she think it sounds directed towards others?
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... im not trying to jump in the middle, im just saying that its going both ways... one cannot say the other is making unjust statements while letting their own fly. But I appreciate the polite/professional response. thank you SFC
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People do still make mistakes, its good to have a second set of eyes regardless.<br><br>I remember a Vietnam era SGM who had a "5" on his NCOPD ribbon mistakenly thinking the 1SGs course was a level of the NCOES.<br><br>More recently I have seen:<br><br>Senior NCOs with the wheat growing down on their ASUA. <br><br>A very senior NCO with the stars on his Iraqi Campaign medal pointing downwards. <br><br>A COL walking around with his name tapes reversed on his ACUs.<br><br>A 1SG with no unit patch.<br><br>Sometimes Murphy doesn't care how well you know AR 670-1. Shit happens to the best of us. <br><br>Here is what I want to know.....how many of us males actually know how to setup a females ASUs and vice versa?<br><br>Every board I have sat on the last few months, male NCOs of female Soldiers have been completely lost when asked about how they assisted in setting up their subordinates uniform.<br><br><br>
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I've spent my entire time in the service as an Infantryman, so I've never had female Soldiers. BUT, you make a great point, Master Sergeant. I shall correct myself.
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SFC John Brooks
MSG, I agree, Murphy gets us all at some point. I once was in a hurry leaving the house on very little sleep thanks to my newborn, I threw my uniform on and raced out the door. I walked into the Pentagon, went out on a few service requests, then went to grab coffee. It wasn't until I was heading back toward my office that I glanced down at myself and realized I'd grabbed the wrong uniform, this one had NOTHING on it, no name tapes, no patches, no rank. I was in the Joint Staff corridors at the busiest time of the morning, 2 corridors away from my office. That had to be the worst walk of shame I'd ever experienced, imagine if SMA Chandler had just happened to be walking through as I tried to make it back to safety. Thankfully, I keep a spare set of patches and name tapes at my desk so I was able to fix the problem.<br><br>The saddest part about the entire situation, though, was that NOBODY said anything to me. Not one member of any service or rank stopped me, and I passed by a LOT of NCOs in that 2 hour time span.<br>
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Good call MSG! Now that we have female 13M's I need to brush up on the female ASU. I need to update my DA photo as well.
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