Posted on Jun 11, 2016
If building walls on our borders is an actual priority why isn't there any serious discussion of walling off our northern border as well?
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I believe building a wall or walls on borders is a fruitless endeavour and will only result in an ungodly amount of wasted time and money.
As I see it the only way to end the problem at our southern border is to end the war on drugs. Have the government manufacture, tax, and sell the currently banned substances. It would eliminate the cartels and improve the quality of life south of the border.
As I see it the only way to end the problem at our southern border is to end the war on drugs. Have the government manufacture, tax, and sell the currently banned substances. It would eliminate the cartels and improve the quality of life south of the border.
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You make some good points (I'm also in favor of ending the failed "War on Drugs" for example). However, you can't fault a nation for wanting a secure border... it's hard to argue against that.
I think your analogy to the Berlin Wall is not exactly apt here. The Berlin Wall was intended to keep the East German citizens IN, whereas a US border wall is intended to keep illegal activity OUT. The efficacy of such an effort can be challenged, but your drawing an analogy to the Berlin Wall distracts from your argument and unnecessarily antagonizes (have you noticed the latter is a pattern in many of your posts?).
I think your analogy to the Berlin Wall is not exactly apt here. The Berlin Wall was intended to keep the East German citizens IN, whereas a US border wall is intended to keep illegal activity OUT. The efficacy of such an effort can be challenged, but your drawing an analogy to the Berlin Wall distracts from your argument and unnecessarily antagonizes (have you noticed the latter is a pattern in many of your posts?).
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You have conflated two issues here. I totally agree with your assessment about the war on drugs. Nothing has done more to mortally wound the Rule of Law: Corrupt law enforcement agencies, overtax penal institutions, etc. Also, I somewhat agree about your criticism of the wall as being an overly expensive and likely ineffective barrier. However, I believe that there is a great debate underlying all this which you have missed: Does the United States have a right to protect its sovereign borders? That is the overriding issue, the one that we are talking around when we discuss walls or whatever form of barrier. I believe we do, we must. Now, let's see how people respond to that challenge.
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To me, it's ironic that people oppose the building of a border wall because it will be expensive (while the stupendous amount of money spent by our government every day is apparently not so concerning), or it would be ironic if that were the real reason. I remember Jorge Ramos, who couldn't care less about U.S. government expenditures, arguing against Trump's proposal because it would be a "waste of money". The reason people don't want a border wall to be built is because they don't want the flow of immigrants to be cut off. And I agree with you that the U.S. has the right to protect its borders, absolutely. Whether the wall is effective or not is secondary to the actual argument taking place.
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While legalizing banned substances would take money from cartels, it would not destroy them. They would simply refocus their energy on human trafficking, black market organ sales, and the arms trade.
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SSG (Join to see) - That was largely due to a massive effort on behalf of local and federal government to fight organized crime. The creation of the first federal law enforcement agency to fight the American mob following prohibition essentially proved that the only way to fight against that kind of organization is with large scale federal action. They were far from running out of money, they were simply outnumbered and out gunned.
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TSgt (Join to see) - We have that now, and yet we can't really eliminate them because as soon as one organization is crippled another rises up to fulfill the needs of the market.
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SSG (Join to see) - True, but I maintain that the Mexican government is woefully corrupt and unwilling to take a serious fight to the cartels. With their proper interdiction, I think we could seriously cripple them.
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TSgt (Join to see) - The US government was woefully corrupt during prohibition as well. All you can do with interdiction is cut the grass, eventually it will grow right back as long as conditions remain the same. Legalizing drugs isn't saying that drugs are ok, it's acknowledging the inability of government to keep suppliers from meeting demand in a relatively free society.
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