Posted on Nov 27, 2019
If someone is getting chaptered out for ASAP failure, but has been in for a long time, would they receive any RCP money?
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I got a friend that he will be chapter out for ASAP failure. He has been as PFC for 7 years and some changes by the time he gets out. He is wondering if he would receive any RCP as usually what time to discharge for ASAP failure ?
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RCP money for being a PFC at 7 years is the least of his worries. Your friend is looking at an OTH discharge and loss of benefits. And to (possibly) receive RCP pay, SMs must meet these requirements:
Full Pay - To qualify for full pay, the member must be involuntarily separated, be fully qualified for retention and the service must be characterized as "Honorable." Examples would be separation due to reduction in force, or separation due to exceeding the high year of tenure.
Half Pay - To qualify for half pay, the member must be involuntarily separated, with service characterized as Honorable or General (under honorable conditions), and the reason for discharge must be under certain categories. Examples would be discharge due to failing fitness/weight standards or involuntary discharge due to parenthood.
So....again, not getting RCP pay is the least of the concerns your friend is facing.
Full Pay - To qualify for full pay, the member must be involuntarily separated, be fully qualified for retention and the service must be characterized as "Honorable." Examples would be separation due to reduction in force, or separation due to exceeding the high year of tenure.
Half Pay - To qualify for half pay, the member must be involuntarily separated, with service characterized as Honorable or General (under honorable conditions), and the reason for discharge must be under certain categories. Examples would be discharge due to failing fitness/weight standards or involuntary discharge due to parenthood.
So....again, not getting RCP pay is the least of the concerns your friend is facing.
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Your friend shouldn't be getting chaptered for ASAP failure, he should have had his ETS adjusted to 180 days from his reduction. Then he would be required to join the Reserves for three years to be eligible for full separation pay.
The different types and eligibility are in AR 637-2
The different types and eligibility are in AR 637-2
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I'm a bit confused here. He's been in 7 years and he's been a PFC this entire time?
Is ASAP failure Army Substance Abuse Program failure?
I know of no program that would allow a PFC to stay in for 7 years let alone receive money from the army for ASAP failure.
Is ASAP failure Army Substance Abuse Program failure?
I know of no program that would allow a PFC to stay in for 7 years let alone receive money from the army for ASAP failure.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
PFC Jeffrey Herrington In the military, criminal convictions only happen with a court martial. You can get an OTH without a court martial (and also without a civilian conviction). Things like pattern of misconduct based on a series of Article 15s can garner an OTH.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
PFC Jeffrey Herrington It is up to the separating authority to characterize the service (within regulatory guidance/limitations -some separations cannot be characterized honorable, others cannot be characterized anything OTHER than honorable). Pattern of misconduct can be characterized as other than honorable or general (never honorable, IIRC) at the discretion of the separating authority. It can be initiated/completed with no criminal convictions. I was just using that as an example though. Just trying to say that an OTH does not necessarily equal a conviction.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
PFC Jeffrey Herrington I would not guess that ASAP failure, in and of itself, would likely be characterized as OTH. And I honestly don't know regulatory guidance on which chapter and what characterizations are authorized, so I won't presume to guess. But what I DO know is that quite often there are options open to the Commander as to what Chapter to utilize, and there are also options within that chapter as to how to characterize service. I don't believe ASAP failure is liable to result in an OTH.... But I wouldn't bet even a nickel that it CAN'T result in an OTH. That's all I'm saying.
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