Posted on Dec 3, 2015
If you are ADOS while in the Guard and are working for a different command how much should your full time position affect your Evaluation?
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One thing that I have found very interesting is the Active Duty Operational Support (ADOS) positions within the National Guard. You could have an M-Day position that you will work at one weekend a month and two weeks a years. Then you have a position that is Active Duty. You are there Monday through Friday. Now you still have to have a Evaluation Report. How should it be shared between them? Should it be shared? How much should your full time position influence the Eval if your M-Day command writes it or how should your M-Day command influence the Eval if your leadership in your leadership in your full time position writes your Eval?
Army National Guard
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TL/DR:You should get an evaluation for your ADOS duties. Any M-Day duties should be listed as "additional duties" or not at all.
I will first say what should, in theory, according to regulations, happen.
IF you are on ADOS orders, THEN that is your job for the length of your orders. You cannot LOGICALLY also have an M-DAY slot simultaneously. The reason is quite simple, you are already on active duty on the drill dates due to your ADOS orders.... You can only be in ONE pay status at a time, and that is where you owe your duty.
Simple. Tidy.
Now, over in reality-land....
You're going to have to play it by ear. The easiest way for the command to address what I just said above is to point out that you ARE in fact on orders for those drill days ANDALSO have an additional duty assignment of [M-DAY Role]. If they go that route, you SHOULD get your eval for your ADOS role with your M-DAY assignment listed in "Other Duties." This works well if your ADOS and M-DAY assignments nest. You're just dual-hatted in the same organization.
IF they DON'T nest (You're in State JFC on ADOS and a Rifle Co. as M-Day), the book answer is still that your M-DAY unit has NO legitimate claim on your time. SOME units and some states will take this approach. Some won't. I wouldn't suggest advancing the (correct) claim that they are not the boss of you, for at least half a dozen reasons. I would just ask for some somewhat official documentation that they expect you to perform both roles (which I would also ask for in the previous example as well). The logic for this is for coverage for line of duty issues as well as clarification of authority, especially if your ADOS is federal $$ and M-Day is state $$. Again, you can only be in one status, and that is ADOS - so what I said above still applies.
In reality, each state, unit, and commander is going to have their own take on how this should be done. I would shoot for the
1) Highest level rating chain first,
2) Most responsible title of position second.
With the duties for both listed - explicitly calling out the fact that you are on ADOS.
AND I wouldn't give any pushback on doing the drill weekends. (I know that's not a question you asked, but it is an issue I have seen raised at lot. So I want to address it.) The bottom line is ADOS orders are 24/7/365, so if you pull a weekend of duty a month, so be it.
I will first say what should, in theory, according to regulations, happen.
IF you are on ADOS orders, THEN that is your job for the length of your orders. You cannot LOGICALLY also have an M-DAY slot simultaneously. The reason is quite simple, you are already on active duty on the drill dates due to your ADOS orders.... You can only be in ONE pay status at a time, and that is where you owe your duty.
Simple. Tidy.
Now, over in reality-land....
You're going to have to play it by ear. The easiest way for the command to address what I just said above is to point out that you ARE in fact on orders for those drill days ANDALSO have an additional duty assignment of [M-DAY Role]. If they go that route, you SHOULD get your eval for your ADOS role with your M-DAY assignment listed in "Other Duties." This works well if your ADOS and M-DAY assignments nest. You're just dual-hatted in the same organization.
IF they DON'T nest (You're in State JFC on ADOS and a Rifle Co. as M-Day), the book answer is still that your M-DAY unit has NO legitimate claim on your time. SOME units and some states will take this approach. Some won't. I wouldn't suggest advancing the (correct) claim that they are not the boss of you, for at least half a dozen reasons. I would just ask for some somewhat official documentation that they expect you to perform both roles (which I would also ask for in the previous example as well). The logic for this is for coverage for line of duty issues as well as clarification of authority, especially if your ADOS is federal $$ and M-Day is state $$. Again, you can only be in one status, and that is ADOS - so what I said above still applies.
In reality, each state, unit, and commander is going to have their own take on how this should be done. I would shoot for the
1) Highest level rating chain first,
2) Most responsible title of position second.
With the duties for both listed - explicitly calling out the fact that you are on ADOS.
AND I wouldn't give any pushback on doing the drill weekends. (I know that's not a question you asked, but it is an issue I have seen raised at lot. So I want to address it.) The bottom line is ADOS orders are 24/7/365, so if you pull a weekend of duty a month, so be it.
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COL Vincent Stoneking
NOTE: I would be more likely to argue for cases of push-back were you in the USAR and your drill location was distant from your ADOS location. But in the ARNG, much of your career progression is going to be determined by higher-ups in the state guard and their impressions of you. That doesn't mean don't fight the good fight. It does mean know which hills are worth dying for.
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LTC Stoneking is right across the board. While enlisted I fell under this topic in both Title 32 and Title 10 situations. I worked ADOS for our state G1, Title 32, then at PEC in Little Rock, AR, on Title 10. In both cases it was "strongly suggested" that I continue drilling with my home unit, which was not a problem for me. During my three years on ADOS, the entity that had me on orders had primary input into my NCOERs, and my M-Day rater only added additional duties and one or two comments as to my performance. I was fortunate enough to be able to communicate with both commands and work together with them to get an accurate assessment of my duties. In my case, with good communication between rating chains, the process was smooth and worked favorably for me.
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MSG (Join to see)
I have worked the ADOS angle, and I have seen it worked. You are expected to drill the same as anyone else, but you are evaluated for Title 32. If the entity you are ADOS with cannot slot you in an MDay position, you may be required to drill with the parent unit that you came from. That being said, your ADOS chain should be the only ones writing your NCOER/OER unless you are on split orders (non consecutive for 30 days). Short term ADOS your traditional MDay unit has full control. Remember you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. ADOS is also a privelege. The last thing you want to do is engage in a pissing contest between commands.
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When this situation has happened in the past, particularly for long term ADOS orders, I have known Soldiers to have an intermediate rater. I know that in the new OER system, this is greatly frowned upon, but I have an individual who on the AGR side works for the G4 and on the M-Day side is under my command. He has an intermediate rater that is the Deputy G4 and his rater and senior rater are in the traditional M-Day CoC.
Also, I always submit a support form for my OERs. I like to paint my own picture (if you will). Unless your rater wholly objects, I would write a support bullet: "Served on long-term ADOS with Recruiting & Retention Command blah blah"
Also, I always submit a support form for my OERs. I like to paint my own picture (if you will). Unless your rater wholly objects, I would write a support bullet: "Served on long-term ADOS with Recruiting & Retention Command blah blah"
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You can definitely encourage your ADOS boss to submit a report on your performance as well. I have done that several times from some of the guys who work for me, it really helps provide the rater with input and bullets to make your OER (or NCOER in their case) really shine and reflect all of your accomplishments. it can be as simple and informal as an email. Too easy!
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As an Air Guard member I was quite confused when I first heard about this, in the Air Guard once on ADOS orders, you no longer report to your M-Day unit. There is one exception to this rule and that is Counter Drug Orders. I would hate to report to commands at the same time.
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