Posted on May 17, 2016
If you became a single parent with sole or primary custody, would you continue to serve or hang up your boots for a civilian job?
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This is not something I am faced with, just something I saw on TV. Just a question for the group. I am curious to see what everyone has to say. Personally, I believe I would continue to serve, but hopefully I will never find out.
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It would depend on the MOS I had. If I were a single parent with sole/primary custody and had a combat MOS, I would probably think about reclassing first. If that were not an option, then I would more than likely hang up the spurs.
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SPC Todd Rhoades
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That is an important consideration. Although I feel the issue of long term deployment is far greater. I left a lengthy response and comment on it. It is difficult for someone who has not been a single parent to consider all the issues this question entails. Please add your honest thoughts. I look forward to the discussion.
That is an important consideration. Although I feel the issue of long term deployment is far greater. I left a lengthy response and comment on it. It is difficult for someone who has not been a single parent to consider all the issues this question entails. Please add your honest thoughts. I look forward to the discussion.
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SPC Todd Rhoades
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I am very thick skinned, Sappers tend to be, so fire at will. The importance of this topic deserves no less.
I am very thick skinned, Sappers tend to be, so fire at will. The importance of this topic deserves no less.
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SPC Todd Rhoades - Fire away? Well, let me get my MICLIC and Bangalore tubes ready. Just kidding. I was mainly speaking of my time as a 12B while stationed at FT Irwin. As we were in the field every month, and long ass hours in the motorpool when we weren't in the field....looking back I don't think that would have been good for me as a single parent. I'm sure that there were those that made it work, but for me it would not have been good. Being a married father of two daughters, I can't stand missing something that the girls are wanting/needing me to be there....
Bearing in mind that deployments happen and plans have to be in place being a single parent, I give total props to those that can work it out.
Bearing in mind that deployments happen and plans have to be in place being a single parent, I give total props to those that can work it out.
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SPC Todd Rhoades
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Bridge builders and tank killers, sappers lead the way.
I am glad you have experience in a combat MOS. You have the experience to see where my opinion comes from. I fully understand not wanting to miss events in children's lives. Worked many an early morning or late night to have time during the day for those activities. The time we have to enjoy their childhood grows shorter by the minute. My three are the best thing that ever happened in my life. Can't imagine not being there when they need me.
Bridge builders and tank killers, sappers lead the way.
I am glad you have experience in a combat MOS. You have the experience to see where my opinion comes from. I fully understand not wanting to miss events in children's lives. Worked many an early morning or late night to have time during the day for those activities. The time we have to enjoy their childhood grows shorter by the minute. My three are the best thing that ever happened in my life. Can't imagine not being there when they need me.
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I could not have served being a single parent, I realize that if I am lost in combat that my child would be left largely alone in the world. That is not to say I think ill of those that are able to deal with it.
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As a hypothetical answer.....First, if you decide to stay in you would need to get a Family Care Plan. If you did not have many skills to get a job to earn enough to support yourself and your child, then I would stay. If you had marketable skills to earn enough to care for your Family, then it is an option to transition to a Civilian job. If you did choose to leave Active Duty, it would be productive to join the Reserve or Guard to continue serving.
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CSM, I agree 100%. My train of thought was more along the lines of thinking that if something happens to SM in question then the child(ren) are left alone or caring for a disabled parent. I feel like to some, that fear may be enough to scare someone into hanging up their boots for good.
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SPC Todd Rhoades
Hypotheticals are fine, but actually walking the mile of a single parent brings to light things you have not considered.
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tough question. I've seen single service members struggle with unhelpful commands concerning childcare and other parenting issues. I recall a certain Chief in my past who was disciplined for suggesting a 2 year old be put out in the park in a snow suit until his mom was finished with work. (Not kidding, actually said that.) Keeping your kids with you would be a constant battle. Not keeping your kids with you, sending them to designated guardians, could be painful and cause other issues for yourself and the kids. I'm tempted to say I would have stuck it out and stayed in the service, but I'm not sure. The truth is that I left the service before having children in order to avoid duel-military couple problems. Single military problems to my mind would be much worse, but there is no guarantee of an easier time in the civilian world, so it is really up to you. Devil's choice.
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This is a tough one. I got out of the service in 2010 and became a contractor. I spent a year deployed leaving my kids at home with their dad. I think if you have the support system, stay in! Medical, dental, eye care, housing and childcare are all afforded and it's a good system if you have help.
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SPC Todd Rhoades
You left them home with their dad, not even close to leaving them home with no parent.
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Very difficult question with many variables; civilian potential, age and responsibility of child, bases normally have excellent support facilities and generally more flexible work environment when it comes to children, can you fulfill your position and still care for the child or do you become a liability to the unit, potential for independent duty around your family, years until retirement. Above all, which situation will best provide for the child's needs.
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I actually was a single parent with full custody of my daughter with a Combat MOS, pretty much the same as some of you are saying I made a family care plan from day one, plus I had a lot of support from other family members to help out when the time did come for me to deploy. All I know is that it all worked out in the end .
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This is the expert opinion, PERIOD!!!
I can say that because I am a single father with custody of three for 11 years and 7 to go, not including college.
First and foremost, NO child EVER chooses to be born. Their birth is a result of YOUR choice.
Their needs are first and foremost, outweighing your needs and wants by immeasurable lengths.
Your first and foremost thought each day, all day is being there for them. If not, then you need to reevaluate your morality, because you are a selfish person.
Children in a single parent home automatically have a fear of their parent not returning, they have already been abandoned by one.
This feeling is with them each day from the time you depart each other in the morning until you reunite each evening. They are intelligent enough to know that things happen, i.e. car accident, work accident etc.
The stress of the only parent they have choosing, that's what it is, you made a choice when you stayed in, to be halfway around the world in harm's way, sends the message, you place your wants above them, will cause issues in all aspects of their childhood.
I have seen this arise simply by having a job that required me to work long and irregular hours.
Children need stability and security, these are your two most important tasks as a parent. They far outweigh the task of providing for them. They will get past not having the material items that a rough financial period during transition may cause, what they won't get past is being left alone in the world.
The other side of this question is the military one. This is two fold, first the wellbeing of your children is a weight full thought for any parent, add to that the thought of not making it home to them, knowing if you don't, they're alone, and you have a situation that can affect everyone around you. You could very easily hesitate to consider this at a time when acting on instinct is required. This could very easily cost your life and the lives of those around you. The military is no place for a single parent with custody of a child. There should be a law that resembles the "sole survivor" pertaining to single parents. If a parent should not suffer the loss of their only remaining child, the why should a child be allowed to suffer the loss of their only remaining parent.
The desire to serve your country and fellow citizens can be fulfilled in many other careers or activities that do not have the consequences that can be suffered by a military one.
I am not one to let someone else fight my battles or run from one either. If, God forbid, our borders were ever breached, I would be among the first to take up arms and repeal the invaders. That is not the case, and absolutely no American child should grow up parentless due to defending the borders of a foreign land.
I can say that because I am a single father with custody of three for 11 years and 7 to go, not including college.
First and foremost, NO child EVER chooses to be born. Their birth is a result of YOUR choice.
Their needs are first and foremost, outweighing your needs and wants by immeasurable lengths.
Your first and foremost thought each day, all day is being there for them. If not, then you need to reevaluate your morality, because you are a selfish person.
Children in a single parent home automatically have a fear of their parent not returning, they have already been abandoned by one.
This feeling is with them each day from the time you depart each other in the morning until you reunite each evening. They are intelligent enough to know that things happen, i.e. car accident, work accident etc.
The stress of the only parent they have choosing, that's what it is, you made a choice when you stayed in, to be halfway around the world in harm's way, sends the message, you place your wants above them, will cause issues in all aspects of their childhood.
I have seen this arise simply by having a job that required me to work long and irregular hours.
Children need stability and security, these are your two most important tasks as a parent. They far outweigh the task of providing for them. They will get past not having the material items that a rough financial period during transition may cause, what they won't get past is being left alone in the world.
The other side of this question is the military one. This is two fold, first the wellbeing of your children is a weight full thought for any parent, add to that the thought of not making it home to them, knowing if you don't, they're alone, and you have a situation that can affect everyone around you. You could very easily hesitate to consider this at a time when acting on instinct is required. This could very easily cost your life and the lives of those around you. The military is no place for a single parent with custody of a child. There should be a law that resembles the "sole survivor" pertaining to single parents. If a parent should not suffer the loss of their only remaining child, the why should a child be allowed to suffer the loss of their only remaining parent.
The desire to serve your country and fellow citizens can be fulfilled in many other careers or activities that do not have the consequences that can be suffered by a military one.
I am not one to let someone else fight my battles or run from one either. If, God forbid, our borders were ever breached, I would be among the first to take up arms and repeal the invaders. That is not the case, and absolutely no American child should grow up parentless due to defending the borders of a foreign land.
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SPC Todd Rhoades
SPC Douglas Bolton
Doug, you have walked the mile as a single parent. Very successfully, I might add. Care to weigh in?
Doug, you have walked the mile as a single parent. Very successfully, I might add. Care to weigh in?
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SPC Todd Rhoades
I apologize for the harshness of my statements on this topic, but some things are best, not sugar coated.
As a parent raising children in today's society, it makes my blood boil. when I see a parent put themselves ahead of their children. Especially a single parent who has been granted custody. Although in some cases it is a mutual agreement, more times than not, it is the courts. This decision by the court is a statement of it's judgment of your character. Being, of the two, you are the parent that has the children's best interest at heart.
The most important service to your country is not defending it from obvious threat, but rather leaving a generation raised in a manner that teaches them to have the strength of character to do the same. Especially in this time of so many internal threats trying to destroy the principles our nation was founded on, in the name of liberty.
Not all battles are fought with the sword, many of the most important, are fought with strength of character.
So choosing to lay down your sword, in the interest of what is best for your children's future, doesn't not make you less of a warrior, but rather a greater one. After all, isn't that the true spirit of a warrior, to protect and defend those that cannot defend themselves, not the quest for personal glory.
Believe me, doing right by your children, will bring more glory to you than you can imagine.
My service to our military is appreciated by my friends and neighbors, it expressed in their statements to me.
My service to my children is respected by my friends and neighbors, it is stated in their actions towards me.
Appreciation is given.
Respect is earned.
If I have to choose only one, it is respect, as it is a statement of my character.
As a parent raising children in today's society, it makes my blood boil. when I see a parent put themselves ahead of their children. Especially a single parent who has been granted custody. Although in some cases it is a mutual agreement, more times than not, it is the courts. This decision by the court is a statement of it's judgment of your character. Being, of the two, you are the parent that has the children's best interest at heart.
The most important service to your country is not defending it from obvious threat, but rather leaving a generation raised in a manner that teaches them to have the strength of character to do the same. Especially in this time of so many internal threats trying to destroy the principles our nation was founded on, in the name of liberty.
Not all battles are fought with the sword, many of the most important, are fought with strength of character.
So choosing to lay down your sword, in the interest of what is best for your children's future, doesn't not make you less of a warrior, but rather a greater one. After all, isn't that the true spirit of a warrior, to protect and defend those that cannot defend themselves, not the quest for personal glory.
Believe me, doing right by your children, will bring more glory to you than you can imagine.
My service to our military is appreciated by my friends and neighbors, it expressed in their statements to me.
My service to my children is respected by my friends and neighbors, it is stated in their actions towards me.
Appreciation is given.
Respect is earned.
If I have to choose only one, it is respect, as it is a statement of my character.
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