Posted on Feb 6, 2020
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Nearly everything we do is governed by Policy, Regulation, Pamphlets, or Training Circulars. From how we wear our uniform to how to set up a table, there are rules we must follow (some of these may be outdated but it's the Army's way of ensuring success). This is a two part question.

1. If you could change/update any Regulation or local Post Policy what would it be and what is your justification?

2. Say there are policies and regulations that are not being followed, however when you escalate the situation the answer is to "make it happen". How would you handle this?
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I would change the regulation to not start time in grade calculations until after Initial Entry Training is complete. I frequently see Soldiers pinning on Specialist rank long before they are ready. The National Guard allows Soldiers to enlist under a Split Training Option, they completed BCT one summer and AIT the following year. After enlisting National Guard Soldiers are entered in the Recruit Sustainment Program, they drill every month until attending IET and between BCT and AIT. As a result of all this we routinely see Soldiers who are at a basic training level of proficiency but have nearly 24 mos TIS, and are reporting to their unit for the first time within a month or two of having enough TIG to pin on SPC.
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CSM Clifford Fargason
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SSG (Join to see) The longest AIT is 84 months. Would you like to be getting E-1 pay for almost two years?
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CSM Clifford Fargason - I would not love to be making E-1 pay for 84 weeks, however these are still Soldiers who are not yet qualified in their MOS. The Army has sufficient latitude to offer enlistment bonuses to Soldiers entering an MOS with training requirements long enough to create a significant burden. While waiting to start the clock on time in grade could hurt some Soldiers disproportionately, the Army has the power to mitigate this while allowing junior Soldier's rank to mean more than the size of their paycheck.
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CSM Clifford Fargason
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I would suggest that a soldier who has been in for nearly two years, even if that was in a training environment has absorbed enough Army knowledge that they should not be outranked by someone who has only been in for 6 months or less.
The issue you bring up, with split training, delayed entry training, etc has been around for a long time. Split training for reserve component soldiers started before my time and I was in one of the early batches of delayed entry program when I enlisted in March 1972. It was such a novelty that I got my automatic advancement to E-2 while in basic and when I graduated as one of the top soldiers in my basic company they promoted me to E-2 again. Just my opinion but I think the Army has done OK with those programs. Your mileage may differ.
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CSM Clifford Fargason - You make a great point. After giving consideration to it I would revise my idea as follows- Start the clock on TIG when a Soldier begins AIT (Or in the case of OSUT, the equivalent phase), this would prevent undue hardship on those occupations with long AIT periods.
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SPC Ryan D.
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I’m surprised no one has mentioned hands in your pockets. Justification being, my hands are freaking cold because it’s below freezing and command said no to cold weather gear.
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Your command said no to wearing gloves? Are you talking about in a formation or just no cold weather gear at all. Can you elaborate on your statement please
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SPC Ryan D.
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SSG (Join to see) Sure. I was at Campbell and it gets very cold. Command would not allow us to wear cold weather gear including gloves unless they authorized it. This included in and out of formation, training, ranges, etc. They loved to look “tough and professional” and we suffered for it.
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SGT Tom Recupero
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Everyone starts as an E-1, none of this coming in as an E-4 BS
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SGT Tom Recupero I think that's a great idea. Any comments on the second question?
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SGT Tom Recupero
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SSG (Join to see) well just the straight pencil whipping (signing papers/lying) if new soldiers through basic that never passed a PT test or finished a ruck
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