If you found out your Leader or Immediate Supervisor was doing something against the law, like fraud, what would you do?

I have had two civilian jobs after retirement. I have reported both of them for fraud. One to the Medicaid Fraud Division/ FBI and one to Securities and Exchange Commission. The Medicaid Fraud Division was given actual fraud documents and amazed me when they said, how are we supposed to prosecute them This coming from Lawyers who should know after seeing the documents I provided and explaining the fraud which was plain as day, The FBI agent was very interested as he had been trying to get this company for years. I moved to another state and they never took any action. So, I guess 5 Million a year is not enough to take action on. The other company I worked for, an Oil and Gas Company was selling shares without a license. In fact, they sold shares for an oil well that came up dry, then resold shares for the same well and pocketed the money. As I explained to the SEC for four hours, they promised not to charge me, but would use me as a witness. As soon as I left their office, I returned to work and the boss called me in. He pulled a gun on me and told me to get out of the building. He knew where I had been. I had told no one. The next few weeks were hell as people called my house, threatened to kill me and my family, burn my house down with us in it, kill my children, etc. I quickly found a government job in another state and we moved asap. I spent the next 5 months trying to get the money he owed me for wages through the Tex Emp Com. Finally, two years later, I received most of the money he owed me. I found out later that the SEC close his company.

Depends on the type leader he or she was. If they were respected by his or her staff I would have a private talk with them to find out the reason. If not I would request a meeting with his or her superior to find out it they were aware of the situation . Depending on that meeting what additional steps would be taken.

If I knew for sure the person would no longer be my boss, of course it's easy. However, it's never a slam dunk. Along with RHIP comes the ability for that same boss to turn around and use their position to become the most vindictive SOB in your life and make it their personal mission to throw you under every bus within the continent you are serving on. Unfortunately it is in the eyes of the beholder as to whether the deck is stacked against them or if they will be kept whole by the people that "talk" about an open door policy. I have been the "beholder" and that open door has hit me quite hard in the back side. It is not human nature for an offender to smile at the person who is about to hang them. Hopefully things are better these days, but I have my doubts! Sorry.

I retired from Army Finance after twenty years. In my early years, I was the NCOIC of the Travel Branch. I turned in many soldiers to the CID for fraud on their travel vouchers, to include an entire rifle team, representing the base I was stationed at the time. Later on, I found that A Major was issuing TDY orders without proper funds to back them up, a gross violation and turned him in. Unfortunately, his command transferred funds to cover him. I have testified before court martials for at least 5 soldiers as a witness for the government for fraud for TDY payments. A Captain, A SFC, Two SGT's and A SP4 were all discharged because of it. In Addition, A SGT was denied re-enlistment and an SFC with 16 years was forced out because of a 10.00 fraud. Never could understand why they would try to get away with that. My favorite was turning down a payment to a Colonel who demanded that I pay him his rental car that was not authorized on his orders. I was an E-5 at the time in charge of the travel section. He as much as ordered me to pay him. He try to intimidate me and asked me if I knew who he was, Of course, I was respectful and told him when he got authorization for the rental car (an amendment to orders) I would be glad to include that payment but until then no can do. He was furious. He spoke to my Commander (Major) and the Major came to my office and asked me to pay him. I told him I couldn't without proper documentation. The Major proceeded to take the completed voucher, added the rental car, and took the Colonel to the cashier's cage to get paid. I called the CID and told them the entire story. The next day, the Colonel showed up at my office with an amendment order authorizing the rental car and an apology to me. The Major refused to allow me an extension to take my family overseas and told me that my new Commander would maybe do it. At least it was the right thing to do.

I wouldn't hesitate to report them if I knew for a fact that they were committing a fraud.
No one is above the law or regulations for violating the law because of their position or
rank.I wouldn't care about the outcome reguardless.

While assigned to a small shop on Ft Bliss, I was asked to assist the supply sergeant with the monthly office supply run. She needed help because she was on permanent profile. We headed over to the local Staples office store in her car with the unit credit card in hand. While at the store, she gave me a list of office supplies and told me to take a cart and get everything on the list. She took another cart and headed off in another direction. I assumed she had another list. After I found everything on my list, we met up to checkout. Both carts of supplies were loaded on the belt and rung up and paid for with the government credit card she possessed. The total was over $1000. When we got back to our office, she had me take in only the supplies i had got in my cart. She said she would bring in the other bags later. I didn't question it and went about my business but had a feeling something was off. The next month, she requested I go with her again on the supply run and the NCOIC told me to assist her. This time I watched more carefully what she bought and noticed that some of the things that were on my list were also on her list. Not trying to make trouble and second guessing myself, I jokingly asked why she was buying the same items she had given me a list to buy. She came right out and bluntly told me half of the supplies went to the office and the other half went to her house. She knew I only had a few months left at the unit before i was scheduled to PCS and told me that's why she requested I go with her. She also mentioned that she was an E-5 and I was an E-4 and her word would be believed more than mine plus I was helping her. I'd never been in a position like that before, so I kept my mouth shut and PCSed to my next duty station. Looking back, I wish I would have said something but that unit was so messed up I don't think anyone would have taken it seriously.

One of the things I appreciated about the military is that I could influence how my superiors did their job. We knew what our responsibilities were if my superior was screwing up then I would bring it to their attention diplomatically and if nothing changed I found someone above him who was interested in his behavior. On the alternative I needed to be attentive to those I led and served to be doing my job properly leading and serving their needs. I am not sure I would have approached my superior first if there was severe criminal behaviors as it would not be beneficial to your unit who needs the pathology removed quickly

If were to see this or find out about it, i would report it with as much evidence as possible. That individual is not a leader in my opinion. That individual should have never been allowed to be in such a position. Granted hind-sight is always 20/20, and we would not know about it until that individual was caught. None the less if i dont do anyhting about it then i am as guilty as that individual.

I never faced this with a supervisor. The closest thing was a few years ago, not in the military but in the Civil Service. A peer who also a retired O-5 had made a understandable mistake. She used the wrong alias and sent a very restricted document to over 500 recipients instead of the authorized eight. When I relieved her on shift, she would be coming back in 12 hours to relieve me. What was neither understandable nor unacceptable was that the incident was not logged and the relevant emails in our Desk Officer account had been deleted. I discovered it because a copy had gone to my individual account that she could not delete. My response at pass-down was that she had the next shift to amend our log, make the proper security notifications, and follow-up with our Desk Coordinator/rater. If not, those notifications would come from me during my next shift in another 12 hours. She did the right thing and the consequences were minimal.

I was the command senior chief in a Navy MIUWU, a small reserve command charged with port security and coastal defense. We had a chronically unemployed ne'er do well first class petty officer who was continually borrowing lunch money from his subordiantes, usually new guys to the unit, and then not paying it back. I became aware of the problem when they complained and went after him...come to find out he was pretty much running amock. He got a room in the BEQ for a two week active duty period and then overstayed for several weeks. When he needed a vehicle, he would put on his uniform go to the reserve center and check out a jeep or truck without authorization. He was known to appear uninvited at the homes of our officers during the month asking for financial assistance and a place to sleep. I wrote up a performance evaluation on this guy which should have ended his career, but the reserve center CO and E9 felt he needed help. The 1.0 marks i gave him were upgraded to 2.somethings, and even though our CO gave him the boot, he resurfaced in another MIUWU in Texas. For all I know, the thieving SOB probably made CPO, maybe even higher...given the Navy's unwillingness to end him.