Posted on Feb 16, 2016
COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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RP Members this is one of those questions that got lost back in 2016 that is still a great question.

What would you do about this situation? Would you turn them in or comfront them first?

Would you have rights if you were a "whistleblower" against your immeidate supervisor or leader?

How many have been faced with this situation and can you share your story with the rest of the RP Group (no names please)?
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SGT Joseph Dutton
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Before one reports that someone was doing something illegal, unethical or what not better have your T's crossed, I's dotted, dates & time , W.W.W.W. & W., all of your ducks in a row then you load up. Because if there is a small amount of information missing could come back and hunt you. We are not the police or a investigator. If there is a fraud hotline by all means use it. If its anonymous then spell the beans. If they want your information then its up to you to disclose or not disclose that information.
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COL Hugh Stirts
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Why are 'we' (RP) seemingly concentrating on leadership shortcomings?? The real WE is the US Army (or Navy, Marines, etc). And of course bad apples need to go, quickly. And I may be somewhat prickly on this because I was a leader, and commander. But i hate reading about all these accusations of malfeasance and/or nonfeasance!
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PO3 Charles Streich
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My last job in Vietnam was in charge of Commercial Auto Parts for all Seabee Detachments. I could of made money on tires and batteries but chose not to. When a air conditioner was taken out of an Ambulance and put into a Chief's girlfriends car, I started taking notes, photos etc. Some of the parts were going to former Navy who ran repair shops in Saigon. So they were getting free parts and charging Uncle Sam for the reconditioning. I presented this to the Lt. in charge and the shit hit the fan. They wanted me to join Staff but I turned it down.
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CPL Treson Saint
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Depends. Is there a reward?
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SSG William Hull
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The reward is your integrity, reputation and ethics
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SP5 Geoffrey Vannerson
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Revert back to the oath you took. Specifically "foreign and/or domestic. Rank holds no particular privledge when it comes to crime. Sometimes thw higher the rank the bigger the crime. The little person is more likely to get caught and punished more severely. Just look at our politician's.
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A1C Lexas Granger
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Well, now I’ve been fired in my past by conspiracy. There were 3 people I worked with that claimed I used a racial slur at work and my boss, who didn’t like me either, used the excuse to fire me.

I couldn’t do anything with three people framing me for something I never do. My family was shocked, and my wife thought they were crazy. I’m one of many people who don’t like using any word that is demeaning or racist. I’ve only used demeaning words in situations where people thought I was joking, and racial slurs are literally like vomit in my mouth.

I grew up in the deep south past the age of 7 so the diversity in my schools were high. I made many friends of the entire color spectrum and enjoyed their time.

Hearing that they were terminating me due to racial slurs was frustrating and angered me immediately. When I received that call I hung up on the Plant Manager and HR.
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SFC James Beason
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Doesn’t the UCMJ cover such under Art. 32, bear in mind I’ve been retired for 30 years , I could be wrong.
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TSgt Rudy Adame
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If I was under his leadership I would not , expose him.
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CWO4 Tim Hecht
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TSGT Rudy Adame - I voted your response down. I had to do a double, no triple take when I read it. So (unless I am completely interpreting your answer) you're saying if he was above you in your chain of command you wouldn't report (expose as you say) him (or her).

The Air Force Core Values are similar to the Coast Guard Core Values:

USAF Core Values:
INTEGRITY FIRST. An Airman is a person of integrity, courage and conviction. ...
SERVICE BEFORE SELF. An Airman's professional duties take precedence over personal desires. ...
EXCELLENCE IN ALL WE DO.

USCG Core Values:
HONOR
RESPECT
DEVOTION TO DUTY

I may have stretched procurement regulations sometimes to make purchases that were mission critical; but as I told an Inspector one time when he questioned a certain procurement I made - I said look on the inside left side of the file; oh gee there's the documentation!

However there is (and was) a couple of things I can say I always did and expected the same from others:
a. Always tell the truth. I learned a long time ago if you tell the truth and someone asks you about it 10 years later you don't have to remember what lie you may have said. I believe that when I screwed up and was facing the Deputy Group Commander or Executive Officer that whatever punishment meted out to me was mitigated by my honesty. For my subordinates - tell the truth; no matter what.

b. Be accountable and responsible for your actions.

c. Do not do anything illegal, improper, or immoral. Do not tolerate that behavior from anyone. If you aren't comfortable reporting it - talk it over with your supervisor then with me. The important thing to report it.

That doesn't make you a snitch; if you're worried about retaliation - document that too. If more people in all branches of the military would take that responsibility we all would really be living up to the core values.

Rudy - thank you for your service.
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COL Randy Lane
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COL Burroughs,

Great question we should all keep asking ourselves on a regular basis if we truly considers ours a "profession". Difficult easy answer though given the changing environment over the past four decades in our Army. Of course we have all been taught (hopefully starting long before entry into service) what right looks like and what to do if something is encountered illegal, immoral, or unethical. We teach/train the Army values and ethical standards yearly although we continue to see/hear so many instances of existing actions contrary to those values and standards. We truly do need to ask ourselves why? If our system is established with clear standards and our professionals are charged to enforce and exemplify same, why is there such a deviation and contrary action tolerated or even supported at times. Could each of these failures to act or failure to truly hold leaders and Soldiers accountable be tearing at the fabric of our Army Values? Over the past 36 years I have seen compromise after compromise of our values and standards (even in combat environments) to enable and appease in order to protect "friends" or keep the voluntary force intact. I was taught and learned that no punishment should be standard policy however maybe we have loosened those reigns too much allowing for protection of cliques and "supporters" of our leaders.
I am sure everyone has read about the United States Military Academy recent incidents of unethical behavior occurring at one of our top institutions for producing leaders. Frankly I am not surprised because the Army quite often teaches our Soldiers to "get the job done anyway they have to"..."mission and people come first". For years we have all read or experienced stories of Supply Sergeants being praised for their ability to "acquire materials". Sure probably small by comparison however, were should we draw the line to ensure that line does not become so blurry we lose our own Values and Ethics? Some of those same Soldiers trained in the Army to get the job done anyway you have to went on to enter the Academy to become officers however were already tainted by what the "real Army" tells you. Now we expect them to not lie, cheat, steal or tolerate those wo do???
I fully support standing up for doing what is right (especially when no one is watching) however you must understand in a system that protects those who come along there may be consequences. Easier for us retired folks to claim action than a SPC with a wife, two kids and trying to make ends meet. Seek out those you can trust and if none are in your unit (that is a shame) but go to the professional organizations mentioned below and try to trust the system.
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SFC John Gilmore
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Unfortunately profiteering has occurred in every conflict ever waged. That being said, I remember that one of the leadership traits was "courage", both physical and moral. Physical courage is the easier of the two to be sure! In my experience moral courage...doing what is right in spite of the possible consequences is very difficult so many times. My view is this: if someone is profiteering, that very lack of integrity will seep into all aspects of their job, and ultimately can result in danger to the troops we lead. If you can't trust the leadership you're in a world of hurt. I personally would have to find an officer I trusted, report it, and let the chips fall where they may. Otherwise by my very inaction I feel that I'd be betraying my oath "according to military regulation and the UCMJ". Just my 2 cents.
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