Posted on Feb 16, 2016
COL Mikel J. Burroughs
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RP Members this is one of those questions that got lost back in 2016 that is still a great question.

What would you do about this situation? Would you turn them in or comfront them first?

Would you have rights if you were a "whistleblower" against your immeidate supervisor or leader?

How many have been faced with this situation and can you share your story with the rest of the RP Group (no names please)?
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CW4 Craig Urban
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Go to the IG.
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Capt Gene Leone
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I came to Defense Mapping Agency in the early 80's from DIA. I won't say which unit; just DMA. The squadron commander needed a security officer so since I was new and a Captain, he gave it to me. Shortly after my arrival, a 2d Lieutenant mailed Israeli classified material as UNCLASSIFIED. Due to my stint at DMA, our commander quickly learned I am a prick when it comes to security. The Lieutenant along with a GS-14, a couple of 13's and of course, "el Comandante", deliberately kept me out of the loop. It was by accident I learned about the incident and after spending two and a half days interviewing and researching the breach in security, handed the unit commander my report in which I cited chapter and verse the violations [there were several] and a list of punitive options for him to choose from. "THE GAWD DAMN REGULATIONS AREN'T ETCHED IN GRANITE!" he bellowed to wit I explained they ARE "etched in granite" with the use of "must, shall, will" rather than "would, could or should". Cutting to the chase, things went down hill very quickly between the commander and me; so much so a BG came with his entourage to excoriate me for my "act of mutiny" threatening to charge me with such.

[ASIDE: I was enlisted before earning my commission after Nam. Rank has never impressed me. My commander stood behind the seated Brigadier General when I said, "General, with all due respects to you, your rank, the flag we both proudly serve and the uniform we both proudly wear - I F***ING DARE YOU! PLEASE, GENERAL, OH PLEASE! I F***ING DARE YOU! Again, Sir, with all due respects to you, your rank, the flag and the uniform we both proudly wear." My commander LITERALLY fainted into the chair. He and I had had numerous "discussions" with that same dialogue.]

By standing my ground and with the aid of a little trade craft [don't ask what I did in DIA or I'll have to kill you] and nearly a several months battling back and forth, the commander was given the opportunity to put in his paperwork before they put in THEIR paperwork. The 2d Lieutenant was reassigned to wonderful, warm Minot AFB, ND, the GS-14 "retired" along with a couple of 13's, one of which I had discovered was using the unit mainframe computer for bookkeeping purposes for the cement plant which he held a 1/12 interest. Needless to say the commander nearly had a stroke when I presented him with that information. He told me to "mind my own business". My ally in all this was the chief of security at DMA in Reston, VA. When all was said and done, the "letter of admonishment" I received was expunged from my personnel file. [After threatening me with a court martial, the commander tried handing me an Article 15 - I refused to accept it and went to the JAG - and then tried a "letter of reprimand" which I also refused to sign and finally the BG sent the letter of admonishment; a one way communication which is not signed by the recipient.]

Are there times when one might look the other way? Sure for something minor, but when it's something MAJOR and involves something like the Espionage Act as this incident did, I would drop a dime on the person(s) in an Los Angeles second.
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SSG John M Jacobson Sr
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It doesn't matter what their rank is, wrong is wrong. And if he or she is committing fraud, that cost all of us. So yes I would make sure I had the proof, and then turn them in.
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PFC Ammunition Specialist
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It shows that the person or persons involved have no morals whatsoever! Yes I would blow the whistle until someone listened. My career my reputation and my moral compass is more important than those that look the other way or don’t want to get involved.

It makes me sick knowing that all the funds that were meant to help rebuild and was stolen.

Greedy bastards have no shame!
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PO3 General Manager
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The problem is that healthcare is tied to your job in this country. So, if you were to complain to upper management about anything, you are looking at looking for another job.
If our healthcare for everyone was paid for with a Consumption Tax instead of a payroll tax then you would have healthcare even if you didn't have a job. Because every time you spend a dollar, you would be paying for your healthcare. Social Security should also be paid in the same manner, as well as Education for all.
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Louis Williams
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Report it only when it effects you to see it, know it, or effects your welfare otherwise what goes on in the military stays in the military and something like fraud is usually part of a bigger picture. Code Red is principle to how the military always functioned as an independent entity to the United States as the Department of Defense. The real question is who would you tell that doesn't put you in jeopardy, The Media? Anyone involved in that kind of scandal is already known and its a matter of time before they're exposed. When it comes to institutions and that kind of corruption, once you're in it you can't get out unscathed.
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GySgt Thomas Vick
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If caught defrauding anyone, you should be punished. You not only hurt the person that your defrauding, but hurt yourself, hurt your units integrity, and the people that you work for integrity.
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CMDCM John F. "Doc" Bradshaw
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I don’t respect Liars because if you Lie, then you’ll Cheat. This comes under the Core Values I was taught many years ago and still important to me today and they are Integrity, Honesty, and Honor, to name a few, which I would not compromise for anyone. As a Senior Enlisted, It’d be my Duty to address a fraud issue with my Leadership or Supervisor. I’d follow up as necessary depending on the level of Integrity or Level of Classification of the Mission and if it involved Life and Death Matters In Times Of War or Hostile Military Conflicts. Location and seriousness of any issues carries a lot of weight, as does there being a Time and Place For Everything! Just my Humble Old Opinion. Respectfully, Doc Bradshaw
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Well, the Army (and military, and government) is full of corruption, and the majority of the higher-ups are corrupt in one way or another, and a lot of things (and crimes) get swept under the rug. I'm answerable to God first, before anyone or anything else, so I would confront them and turn them in if necessary, even though it might seriously damage my career; whatever loss I may receive for doing the right thing on this evil world, I'll be commended for by God in the hereafter. I'm aware however, that my opinion and perspective is certainly in the minority of those serving (or serving themselves) in the military.

I have more than a few stories, but some of them are...best left unspoken. Suffice to say, Iraq and Afghanistan were a lot more like Vietnam than most people realize...
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I have the displeasure of turning such a matter over to the CID for investigation. At the time I was a CPT and the offender was a LTC. He was taking funds designated for troop morale and welfare and spending it on personal items claiming he was purchasing items for the troops.
He was asked to resign his commission and left the service without a Courts Martial but had to pay back every last dollar they could prove he took.
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