Posted on Aug 2, 2020
PV2 Austin Lohmann
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I was suppost to to be leaving the Army July 31st. It got kicked back and my chain of command is giving me an article 15 right before leaving. Are they just trying to screw me over before I leave? Nobody informed me this would be happening right before im suppost to be discharged from the army. I feel like my chain of command is taking advantage of me because im getting an honorable and they want to destroy my motivation.
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Aren't you the guy that pissed hot and failed a urine drug test? If the Chapter packet was kicked back, then something was wrong with the packet. But if an Article 15 is being recommended/given, then you violated the Manuals of Court Martial/UCMJ somehow. Could be the hot piss test is the reason for the Article 15, who knows. You will certainly know when you go in front for your initial reading. Look, your ETS can be put on hold pending UCMJ resolution. I once knew a guy in Germany that was at the Frankfurt Airport...LITERALLY WALKING ONTO THE PLANE to fly back to the States....when he was detained by MPs for drug use and possession of drug paraphernalia. He was brought back to face UCMJ actions.

But, if you really want to know, then go to JAG and speak with a Defense Lawyer.
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SFC James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4"
SFC James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4"
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PFC Jeffrey Herrington

Looks like that didn’t work out according to plan for that guy.
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SFC James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" - Every single one of us at Landstuhl that knew him....we all were doing the Friday "Daaaammmmnnnnn" look and sound when we all found out.
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SFC James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4"
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DAMN! LIKE CRAIG AND SMOKE?!?!?
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Sgt Ed Allen
Sgt Ed Allen
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Smart thing is to remember, until you have satisfied ALL requirements of your enlistment contract. Don't do anything that could get you in trouble. Knew a guy who decided to destroy all his uniforms after he got off the base (as in, just outside the gate). He had completed his 4 years, but still had 2 years of obligation to complete. They called him back and made him buy all new uniforms, including getting them tailored and ready for inspection.
You are not free of the rules until ALL obligations have been met.
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Edited 12 mo ago
You are leaving the Amy, soon.
No one in the Army is interested in "destroying your motivation" on your way to the civilian world, or doing hours of extra paperwork just to "screw over" someone who won't be their problem in a month.

If your chapter case involved a violation of UCMJ, your command would be derelict of duty if they had not brought an Art 15.
They do have the option of suspending the punishment.
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LTC Jason Mackay
LTC Jason Mackay
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Is SECDEF Mattis' directive still in effect? He directed commanders to fully leverage UCMJ vice administrative tools to handle service member misconduct. This may be that.
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Correction, SFC Boyd is right, Art 15 doent keep you in
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Directive to fully leverage UCMJ is so open ended that it doesn’t mean squat. Commanders will do what they want to do on any situation that comes across their desk. And Mattis quit so whatever! LTC Jason Mackay
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SGM Erik Marquez
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Edited 12 mo ago
PV2 Austin Lohmann
The answer is it depends.

If the unit decides that the chapter is simply a uniform requirement and they hold no ill will toward you it’s likely you will transition out as planned.

If they decide your transgression needs to be made an example of they may go through the pain of changing your discharge date and letting you serve out your article 15 punishment

If they decide you’re more of a problem I’m around an ethical or otherwise an issue to the rest of the command they’ll probably allow you to discharge at your normal day because it’s for the betterment of the service
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PV2 Austin Lohmann
PV2 Austin Lohmann
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Thankyou SGM,
I am being discharged for chapter 9 sudc alcohol failure. My ets date originally was July 31st last Friday but that got kicked back since my ets date hasn't been updated from legal my command gave me an article 15 for an offense that happened months ago its the same offense that's caused my chapter driving to Austin to get a new vehicle when we had the 40 mile travel limit for Covid-19.
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SGM Erik Marquez
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PV2 Austin Lohmann

Way too many possibilities without having all the information.
It can be as simple as the article 15 was already in the process and it simply completed the review process and came back to the unit for disposition and so they did since you were still there.

As for your discharge date having already gone by that’s a strange one it’s not as simple as somebody at a company or a battalion or Even brigade level just saying nope not gonna let it happen he can stay. It takes real work and effort to keep an SM passed an approved by DA separation date I can not see any command team be willing to put that effort in on anything but a really bad, or really good SM
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