Posted on Aug 19, 2015
Immigration. Should illegals be offered a path to citizenship?
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Years ago, I would have said "yes". Now, it is a homeland security issue and I can no longer support this policy.
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One do they want citizenship. Two what about the people who immigrated the right way and who are still waiting. I had to pay for every form I submitted for my wife. And I still had to hire a lawyer. So will Onama reimburse me? Not holding my breath.
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SSG Red Hoffman
Great point, Kenneth. This thought has bounced around in my mind every time I hear Obama discuss illegal immigrants. I have been wanting to sit down and calculate the total cost of getting my wife here from the Philippines...but that would mean reliving the stress and anticipation I had to endure when it was happening. One day I will do it....I think people should know the total.
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PO1 Aaron Baltosser
Numbers from the DACA group suggest only 15% or so have actually taken the steps to become citizens. That translates to 85% just wanting the benefits while not being willing to do the work to become a citizen.
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I would say yes. But they do need to complete the requirements already listed by others...back taxes, fines and what not. But, there is another requirement I would add. Prove you have a skill set that is needed in this country. One of the democrat's arguments is that the commercial industry needs skilled workers willing to work at lower wages that can't be filled by US citizens due to shortage. Okay, first the gov't needs to identify these jobs with a special skill set that can't be filled and then we need to ensure the immigrant is capable performing the function of that job.
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SSG Red Hoffman
Seemed to me that the Democrats needed skilled voters. Just think, when the minimum wage is doubled across the board in this country, illegals may start protests and go on strike to get theirs, even if it means outing themselves as illegals. It is sad the way our current leadership treats this issue like walking on eggs. It is time to get tough....but remain fair.
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Maj William Gambrell
I agree...that was the other thing I thought when listening to democrat logic...what is the definition of low wage??? If the democrats want to force minimum wage higher, then maybe the unwilling US citizens might get off their ass and start working (assuming entitlements don't increase). Thus, no need for low wage illegals to become immigrated. The democrats really do contradict themselves, which is why they need to be able to answer these questions.
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Yes, Set up checkpoints at strategic locations, take fingerprints, DNA, health screen, give them a tax ID, and let them into a holding area.
When someone offers them a job they can go to that job, pay taxes, buy goods, perform services.
Set stipulations such as community service, integration in language and culture, and as the "checklist" is met, grant citizenship if it's desired.
Until they are a citizen benefits are not granted... no voting, no gun ownership, no welfare, free healthcare or social security, search warrants are not required, debts are not bankrupt-able, and no land ownership, wages are deposited into bank accounts, and purchases are made with debit/credit cards. Return to your homeland any time you'd like.
The one exception would be the court system, they are given the full right to a speedy trial, and upon conviction they are banished never to return (with communication to their homeland of what they did so they can determine if they want them walking the streets to avoid dumping serial criminals on an ally's streets.
Then with a tracking system in place (the money, DNA and fingerprints), and a blacklist at the checkpoints, we can get tough about border security without worrying about killing some poor starving grandmother and her grandchildren. The thought process being, "If they're not crossing at the checkpoint, they're up to no good." Phalanx CIWS 30mm radar guided Gatling cannons with interlocking fields of fire should do the trick... Again, not trying to hurt the innocent, just the smugglers, terrorists, and criminals that wouldn't be allowed through the checkpoints.
In short, make it easy for people willing to come make a better life for themselves and their children, because they benefit society as a whole... and offset the Lazy Americans that won't get off their ass and work, and be harsh to those who would do us harm. The carrot and the stick.
When someone offers them a job they can go to that job, pay taxes, buy goods, perform services.
Set stipulations such as community service, integration in language and culture, and as the "checklist" is met, grant citizenship if it's desired.
Until they are a citizen benefits are not granted... no voting, no gun ownership, no welfare, free healthcare or social security, search warrants are not required, debts are not bankrupt-able, and no land ownership, wages are deposited into bank accounts, and purchases are made with debit/credit cards. Return to your homeland any time you'd like.
The one exception would be the court system, they are given the full right to a speedy trial, and upon conviction they are banished never to return (with communication to their homeland of what they did so they can determine if they want them walking the streets to avoid dumping serial criminals on an ally's streets.
Then with a tracking system in place (the money, DNA and fingerprints), and a blacklist at the checkpoints, we can get tough about border security without worrying about killing some poor starving grandmother and her grandchildren. The thought process being, "If they're not crossing at the checkpoint, they're up to no good." Phalanx CIWS 30mm radar guided Gatling cannons with interlocking fields of fire should do the trick... Again, not trying to hurt the innocent, just the smugglers, terrorists, and criminals that wouldn't be allowed through the checkpoints.
In short, make it easy for people willing to come make a better life for themselves and their children, because they benefit society as a whole... and offset the Lazy Americans that won't get off their ass and work, and be harsh to those who would do us harm. The carrot and the stick.
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CPO Charles Mabry
So what you're saying is reward these people for breaking the law. Just want to be clear on that point... because this is ridiculous. To say they can stay but can't do certain things....how are you going to police that without creating a whole new federal department to deal with this. You are talking about making an entirely new set of laws for illegal aliens. The bottom line is...conform to our standards...and laws or get deported. We have a process in place already!
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SPC David Hannaman
CPO Charles Mabry - Actually I was talking about new immigrants coming in, but I suppose it could be applied to the ones already here... make them go back through "in processing".
See, what we're doing isn't working, and even if Trump got elected and made it a mandate to "kick 'em all out" it wouldn't last any longer than President Obama's pledge to "end the war and close Git-mo".
I personally know of a dozen or so cases of hard working immigrants who came here to work hard for low pay and make a better life. I know one business owner that fought for decades trying to find citizens that would just show up on time and sober and work hard. Eventually he was forced to hire illegal labor, and within a year he switched over completely. I can't blame him, I worked for him a while and I can make more money without thrashing my body.
See, what we're doing isn't working, and even if Trump got elected and made it a mandate to "kick 'em all out" it wouldn't last any longer than President Obama's pledge to "end the war and close Git-mo".
I personally know of a dozen or so cases of hard working immigrants who came here to work hard for low pay and make a better life. I know one business owner that fought for decades trying to find citizens that would just show up on time and sober and work hard. Eventually he was forced to hire illegal labor, and within a year he switched over completely. I can't blame him, I worked for him a while and I can make more money without thrashing my body.
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PO1 Aaron Baltosser
Immigrants should have no restrictions, they went through a very long expensive legal process to be here. Offering anything but criminal prosecution for being here in a criminal status is not the answer. It will vastly increase more illegal aliens to come here, degrading security for border states and lower wages for every community where they root. Simple law of supply and demand. If there is a population willing to work for less, the companies in that community are going to offer less.
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SSG Red Hoffman
There is already a path to citizenship!
With that said, I do agree that the immigration process needs to be fixed but people who are living here illegally should not be streamlined, fast tracked, choose your term.
There is already a path to citizenship!
With that said, I do agree that the immigration process needs to be fixed but people who are living here illegally should not be streamlined, fast tracked, choose your term.
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My wife is Filipina, and has not been to the US yet. As I work overseas anyway, it is cheaper for her to remain in the Philippines while I am unaccompanied status here in the Marshal Islands. If I were to take a stateside job, we would then go through the procedures to have her come to the US legally. That said, my ex-wife, also Filipina, it took over a year and over a thousand dollars in legal and filing fees to get her to the US legally. It takes time and money to come to the US legally, so why give a free pass to someone who breaks our law by coming to the US illegally, and penalties to people who go through legal immigation to come to the US?
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No because they broke the law by being here illegally in the first place.
How do you trust them to serve honorably when they are known to break the rules they don't like?
How do you trust them to serve honorably when they are known to break the rules they don't like?
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Absolutely not! There is already a system in place, not matter how inefficient or slow, to become an American citizen...and I am all for anyone coming here who does it the right way. Everyone who has illegally entered the country should be deported and get in line like everyone else. We should not punish the folks who are going through the burden of doing it the correct way.
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Key word here is "Legal". A person's legal status obviously comes from a given legal system.
Ultimately all economies boil down to human effort, the man-hour.
Without a disparity (of currency/exchange rate), what's the incentive to escape poverty?
Fix the money. let people keep their wealth.
"Bloom where you are planted." In a nutshell, or a gum-ball, if you will...
NumbersUSA has information on this topic, for those of you who have not seen this presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE
Ultimately all economies boil down to human effort, the man-hour.
Without a disparity (of currency/exchange rate), what's the incentive to escape poverty?
Fix the money. let people keep their wealth.
"Bloom where you are planted." In a nutshell, or a gum-ball, if you will...
NumbersUSA has information on this topic, for those of you who have not seen this presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE
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I believe there should be a path towards citizenship. It might be a very convoluted and difficult path but just deporting everyone does little.
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