Posted on Jan 27, 2015
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"In setting up the American Army, General Washington relied heavily on the talents of General Baron Von Steuben. During this time, Von Steuben wrote what is referred to as the "Blue Book of Regulations." This "Blue Book" covered most of the organizational, administrative, and disciplinary details necessary to operate the Continental Army.
While Von Steubon outlined the duties of such NCOs as the Sergeant Major, Quartermaster Sergeant and other key NCOs it was the Company First Sergeant, the American Equivalent of the Prussian Feldwebel, that he directed most of his attention. This noncommissioned officer, chosen by officers of the company, was the linchpin of the company and the discipline of the unit. The conduct of the troops, their exactness in obeying orders and the regularity of their manners, would "in a large measure, depend upon the First Sergeant's vigilance." The First Sergeant therefore must be "intimately acquainted with the character of every soldier in the company and should take great pains to impress upon their minds the indispensable necessity of the strictest obedience as the foundation of order and regularity." Their tasks of maintaining the duty roster in an equitable manner, taking "the daily orders in a book and showing them to their officers, making the morning report to the captain of the state of the company in the form prescribed, and at the same time, acquainting them with anything material that may have happened in the company since the preceding report," all closely resembled the duties of the 17th century company sergeant.



The First Sergeant also kept a company descriptive book under the captain's supervision. These descriptive books listed the names, ages, heights, places of birth, and prior occupations of all enlisted in the company. The Army maintained the books until about the decade of the 20th century when they were finally replaced by the "Morning Report."

Since the First Sergeant was responsible for the entire company, he was, in Von Steuben's words, "not to go on duty, unless with the whole company, but is to be in camp quarters to answer any call that may be made."

On the march or on the battlefield, they were "Never to lead a platoon or section, but always to be a file closer in the formation of the company, their duty being in the company like the adjutant's in the regiment."

In the Army and Marines, the first sergeant is often referred to as "Top," or "Top Kick." The nickname has obvious roots in that the first sergeant is the "top" enlisted person in the unit, and a "kick in the pants" is a motivation tool (not literally, at least in today's military) to get the troops into gear." (retrieve from http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theservices/a/firstsergeant_3.htm)

First sergeants are generally the senior non-commissioned officers of company (battery, troop) sized units, and are unofficially but commonly referred to as "first shirt", "top", "top sergeant", "top soldier", "top kick", due to their seniority and their position at the top of the company's enlisted ranks. They are sometimes referred to as "second hat" because the Company Commander may entrust them with important responsibilities, even over one of the company's lieutenants.

First sergeants handle the leadership and professional development of their soldiers, noncommissioned officer development, manage pay issues, supervise administrative issues, manage the promotable soldiers within the company, and are the first step in disciplinary actions such as an Article 15 (non-judicial punishment) proceeding. A first sergeant may place a soldier under arrest in quarters in certain cases, as well as manage all of the daily responsibilities of running the company/unit.
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Sgt Dale Briggs
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Never. 1st Sgt were always addressed by their proper rank, , MSGTs were Top.
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Sgt Jason Schaeffer
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That’s how I understood it in the Marine Corps.
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Sgt Wayne Wood
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A "top" is something that spins in a tight circle accomplishing nothing... i DARE you to call a Marine 1st Sgt "top"
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Sgt Dale Briggs
Sgt Dale Briggs
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Ouch, you'd get smoked or shit details forever , or both.
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MGySgt James Forward
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Well, most folks know that we Marines are HIGHLY anal retentive about proper rank. We call just about everyone by their rank. When I made MSgt I had zero issues with being called "Top". When I was promoted to MGySgt, Marines called me "Master Gunny" the only Marine that called me "Top" was my OIC. Two man shop. Got sent to a far away land in Kuwait after 9-11 and spend 9 months on Camp Doha. Army guys were afraid of me....could not figure out my rank as I was the ONLY Master Gunny on the Base. My Gunny told then I was a Hawaiian SgtMaj. The Master Gunny Emblem is a stylized Bursting Bomb which does look like a pineapple. We called all the Army folks by their proper rank as well. The only Sgt is a Sgt. Semper Fi.
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Sgt Jason Schaeffer
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SEMPER FI Master Guns!
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MSG Manuel G Chapa Jr.
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Top never bothered me! I was even called Papa Chapa by my barracks rats.
Because they told me that I was a good father figure. Sometimes respect can come with funny titles!
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SPC John O'Brien III
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"the word Marine 1stSgts absolutely hate"

referred to my 1st sgt as "top"
it was used as a sign of respect, he was the top soldier in our Battery. and a fucking awesome guy.

maybe these Marine 1st sgts have their panties in a twist because they're "bottoms"
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Sgt Jason Schaeffer
Sgt Jason Schaeffer
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It’s all about tradition in the Corps. For much of the Marine Corps history, the Master Sergeant was the highest ranking enlisted man.

Later, the Marine Corpse created the ranks of Sergeant Major (E-9) & The First Sergeant Billet at the same pay rate (E-8) as Master Sergeant. The Master Sergeant retained the nickname as Top and remains part of the customs and courtesies in the Modern Marine Corps.
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MSG Civil Affairs Specialist
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I am a Top. That’s a company 1SG in the army. Don’t really care what you call me as long as you made you medical appointments, attended SHARP, got your flu shots...
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GySgt Charles O'Connell
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I've never heard of a Marine 1stSgt referred to as, Top, or Top Kick. And I wouldn't advise it.
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Edited 8 y ago
I have never known a 1SG to get offended by being called "Top." However, along these same lines, Warrant Officers in the Army are most commonly referred to as "Chief" when in fact, this is not an official term. However, I am surprised to learn how many Soldiers actually believe that referring to a Chief Warrant Officer as "Chief" is correct by regulation (when in fact, the only authorized ways are Sir/Ma'am and Mister/Miss).

That being said, much like 1SG's being called "Top," I do not mind being called "Chief." Nor do I know any warrants that mind it. Neither are derogatory in any way I actually tend to think of them as terms of respect; another way of acknowledging the rank seniority by others.
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SFC Greg Bruorton
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I second that opinion, Chief! Think of it this way: if you were American Indian you'd be called Chief regardless of rank.
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The only Chiefs that do not like being called Chief are the Helicopter Pilots.. And that is only due to them calling there Crew Chiefs... Chiefs..

As for "Top" I made the mistake one time at FT. Bragg of calling a 1st SGT in the 82nd Top while we were playing volleyball and he lost it on me asking if he looked like something that spun around in circles... Ever since then its always been 1st SGT.. I also usually call NCO's by there rank only because I worked with a Master Gunny and he hated it when the Army guys called him "Sarge" Actually we got along quite will I was a Staff at the time so he would come in and yell at me since he didn't want to yell at the guys in his shop... Good Times... ha
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Maj Larry Carmon
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The term “Top Sgt” & “Top Kick,” predates a great majority of us. I was an active duty Marine for over 28 years, retired in 2003. When you get back in the early part of the 20th century and before, you’ll find these terms, in Army and Marine Corps. Not a big deal folks.
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Sgt Bob Corridan
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Roger that sir...Gunnery Sgt Longo was always Gunny and First Sgt Lilly was always Top...when you spend time up and down the Cua Viet from Dong Ha to Dai Do and off to Rockpile, a friendship out of respect is developed...never was any disrespect directed to Gunny or to Top...however as a boot you most definitely don't refer to the Range Master as "hey Gunny" unless you plan on getting your ass kicked when you get off the range and back to you squad bay and Gunnery Sgt. Jordan plants his size 10' up your backside.
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Edited 8 y ago
Between nine years in the Marines and seven years (so far) in the Army, my experience with the "Top vs. First Sergeant" question has been as varied as the answers in this thread. I've come to the conclusion that it really depends on the individual E-8.

Although it's more common in the Army, I've occasionally heard both first sergeants and master sergeants in the Marines addressed as "Top" without those E-8s losing their minds in a berserker rage.

I recently asked an Army first sergeant about the acceptability of calling a first sergeant "Top," and he said he only reserved that alternate title for soldiers in his unit, or soldiers he had a history with. He didn't like it when soldiers who didn't know him called him "Top" because he couldn't always tell if they were being smartasses about it.

My advice is to simply ask the E-8 in your life with whom you normally interact: "First Sergeant [be on the safe side and call him/her 'First Sergeant' to begin this conversation], I've heard some people say that calling a first sergeant "Top" is disrespectful, and others say that it's common practice. What's your opinion on this?"

And based on his/her answer, proceed accordingly.
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