Posted on Jun 10, 2015
In The Veteran Community, Jealousy Is The New “Blue Falcon”
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I love the Havoc Journal. They are one of the few entities that will call out soldiers and vets. They are soldiers and vets themselves. Sometimes it has to be done.
But I can say that even in Rallypoint I have seen this occur. We have so many internet bad asses they are quick to say how they were so much better. I know I am a LT but just about every time I have been one upped or called out I have been in the military longer than the other person trying to call me out. I am not saying that I not subject to be questioned but the next time a guy tries to say anything when they never deployed or were combat arms about how should an infantry officer perform in combat I just may go nuclear.
Now, I appreciate many vets here. I hold Vietnam Veterans in a category far above my own. In addition I hold members of the Special Operations Community also in high regard. The one time I was in the company of one of the Merrill's Marauders you would have thought I was a pauper in the presence of a King. To me I will never be able to achieve their greatness because I have such great respect for them.
Now in the veteran community we are seeing how everyone is special. Don’t you dare say that a National Guard Truck Driver is anything less than the Rangers at Point De’Hoc. No one is saying that anyone is less but we have some vets that are greater than others. We do it in the military. Some guys get Medals of Honor, Silver Stars, and Service Crosses. I have done some wild stuff but I will be first to say it wasn’t on par with soldiers like SFC Paul Ray Smith. Sorry, but some of us aren't that special. I will tell you that there are many of you that have done more than me and there are some that haven't. That is fine. I am not in competition with any other here. But when a "Vet" judges another vet for a comment it blows my mind. I have seen a soldier with no combat experience that was Combat Service Support tell an Infantryman with multiple deployments that he doesn't know what he is talking about and that he wouldn't be a good leader. The guy calling out him out was a lower enlisted soldier about less years in than fingers on one hand. Or guys that tell a Special Forces soldier that he doesn’t understand what he is talking about when it comes to war in Afghanistan.
If you have to prove that you are better than another Vet or try to one up one then you might be the new "Blue Falcon." The worst are the ones that try to one up another by making something up. The ones that when you tell them you were in Iraq for the invasion they will tell you that the movie "Jar Head" was based on their experience in Desert Storm. But hey, if that is what gets you by then you deserve the Blue Falcon Medal with a “CawCaw” device for badassery.
But I can say that even in Rallypoint I have seen this occur. We have so many internet bad asses they are quick to say how they were so much better. I know I am a LT but just about every time I have been one upped or called out I have been in the military longer than the other person trying to call me out. I am not saying that I not subject to be questioned but the next time a guy tries to say anything when they never deployed or were combat arms about how should an infantry officer perform in combat I just may go nuclear.
Now, I appreciate many vets here. I hold Vietnam Veterans in a category far above my own. In addition I hold members of the Special Operations Community also in high regard. The one time I was in the company of one of the Merrill's Marauders you would have thought I was a pauper in the presence of a King. To me I will never be able to achieve their greatness because I have such great respect for them.
Now in the veteran community we are seeing how everyone is special. Don’t you dare say that a National Guard Truck Driver is anything less than the Rangers at Point De’Hoc. No one is saying that anyone is less but we have some vets that are greater than others. We do it in the military. Some guys get Medals of Honor, Silver Stars, and Service Crosses. I have done some wild stuff but I will be first to say it wasn’t on par with soldiers like SFC Paul Ray Smith. Sorry, but some of us aren't that special. I will tell you that there are many of you that have done more than me and there are some that haven't. That is fine. I am not in competition with any other here. But when a "Vet" judges another vet for a comment it blows my mind. I have seen a soldier with no combat experience that was Combat Service Support tell an Infantryman with multiple deployments that he doesn't know what he is talking about and that he wouldn't be a good leader. The guy calling out him out was a lower enlisted soldier about less years in than fingers on one hand. Or guys that tell a Special Forces soldier that he doesn’t understand what he is talking about when it comes to war in Afghanistan.
If you have to prove that you are better than another Vet or try to one up one then you might be the new "Blue Falcon." The worst are the ones that try to one up another by making something up. The ones that when you tell them you were in Iraq for the invasion they will tell you that the movie "Jar Head" was based on their experience in Desert Storm. But hey, if that is what gets you by then you deserve the Blue Falcon Medal with a “CawCaw” device for badassery.
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I would not put Vietnam Vets in a category above your own. We went where we were told and did what we were told to do. Just like soldiers since the Hoplites. I have watched Resprero, Korengal and Battleground Afghanistan. Vietnam had nothing on these places.
IMHO Afgan and Iraq vets are in a class above me.
IMHO Afgan and Iraq vets are in a class above me.
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
TSgt David L. SFC James S. Look at it this way .. I I consider them in a class above, and they consider me in a class above .. don't we end up kinda eye-to-eye?
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TSgt David L.
LOL I have to tip my hat to the folks who came before and made it back, SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.. Heritage is important.
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1LT William Clardy
SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S., I'd think more like "back to back" -- we do cover each other's six, don't we?
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Perhaps not related. But, since I have been out I have encountered veterans who still think they out rank other veterans in the civilian world. You can almost seen it, couple of veterans standing around talking, question comes out about what people did while serving, what branch ( leads to some jesting), and at some point rank comes up. Suddenly that guy who got out as an E6 realizes he's the highest ranking and you see him puff up alittle, in some cases he kinda takes over the BBQ almost giving orders.
Maybe its just a California thing I have encountered, people here are alittle wonky anyways looking for a reason to think they are better than anyone.
I do wish I had some veteran friends in the area, I seem top be more comfortable talking to veterans ( even from the navy).
Maybe its just a California thing I have encountered, people here are alittle wonky anyways looking for a reason to think they are better than anyone.
I do wish I had some veteran friends in the area, I seem top be more comfortable talking to veterans ( even from the navy).
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I have seen it also. There is always that one upper. You will run into if you ever tell anyone you are in the guard.
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National Guard truck drivers. What's the quickest way to have your supplies "lost" in transit? Piss off an 88M.
Right on, Sir. There is a trend of one-upping. Most veterans, I think, who chip in here, really want to share their experiences. They are still professional, and really, I rarely pay attention to what their status is. The vicious and destructive members are the ones I prefer to check. Surprisingly, many of them are current SMs, and not veterans at all!
Right on, Sir. There is a trend of one-upping. Most veterans, I think, who chip in here, really want to share their experiences. They are still professional, and really, I rarely pay attention to what their status is. The vicious and destructive members are the ones I prefer to check. Surprisingly, many of them are current SMs, and not veterans at all!
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1LT William Clardy
There's a simple explanation, SGT (Join to see). That little "R" means that we already wore ourselves out once, and now we've re-tired ourselves yet again, so we don't have the energy to go bumping heads with the universe. Instead, we'll just mentor the next generation by demonstrating repeatedly how experience and guile can be used to persuade someone else to stand up and take that HEAT round....
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I can agree with most of your statement. However I do take umbrage at the slight to the national guard truck driver. 88M was one of the most dangerous jobs in Iraq. Old equipment, lightly armored, no V shaped halls, the only support they had was organic and they were on the real front line of OIF everyday. I would argue they had a more dangerous job then a lot of combat arms soldiers.
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I love those. What awesome one liners. "Don't confuse your experience with my authority" and "Hey SGT, I think I found a short cut."
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PO1 John Miller
My favorite clip is the one where he finds the new Grunt Style offices after they move. "I think I found them!" "Do you know why women have babies? Because it hurts and they deserve it." And of course lovable First Sergeant going off on him.
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PO1 John Miller
After his longest, most important land nav ever, LT finally finds the new Grunt Style office. He's back, everybody!
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Eric, I wouldn't call these people Blue Falcons, but I would call them douche bags (along with a few other choice terms)!
Eric, I wouldn't call these people Blue Falcons, but I would call them douche bags (along with a few other choice terms)!
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It is something I haven't seen in days past. I often visit the American Legion when I am down in Slidell, LA. My mother was in the Auxiliary. I seen so many great vets there. I really never saw a Vet do something like this. That was a long time ago. Now you see Stolen Valor and Embellishers. It blows my mind. Some of these stolen valor guys were actually Vets with good records. Just look at these guys.
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SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S.
I had a long discussion with the Adjutant of my VFW who passed on to me that the only people that need a DD on file are the Officers .. and on more than one occasion people have come up with not only embellishment but flat out forgeries!
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