Posted on Jun 12, 2017
In today's modern military, would there be any benefit to an enlisted structure similar to that of the past?
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I believe that most, if not all of us, are familiar with the old army enlisted rank structure where one could go their entire career without ever becoming an NCO, but still make it up through the paygrades. We all have known people who were great at their jobs but not fit to lead. Is there any benefit to bringing back such an enlisted rank structure?
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I have read a lot of comments and realized that there are a bunch of folks in the military that only want to just do their specific job. I used to think that most of us knew that when you enlisted in the military, you were going to work hard and do a lot of extra duties...even some that we weren't going to like or want to do. I have read a bunch of comments like, "I don't want to be in a leadership position because" or "he is just not a good leader." I was always told that when there are two Marines together, one is in charge. If the majority of these "technical positions" can have just a techy working it and also have a very small possibility of ever going to combat and leading other service members, why is that even an MOS? Maybe that MOS is too fat and needs to be cut down to a more efficient number (just those that could possibly be deployed in a real combat environment where they might actually have to repel the enemy) or just civilianize the positions. Those that only want to do their job or don't want to lead can be civilian military contractors. They can than do their specialty and have no worries about all the extra tasks and duties that are required of uniformed personnel.
We have created this large military machine in this country and the money is flowing very freely now. Are we really hurting for capable volunteers who are smart enough to complete a technical task and have the intestinal fortitude and abilities to lead. Most think that we have to have uniformed personnel doing everything associated with the military but then we complain when we have to do everything. I completely understand that military service and extended military service is not for everyone and it shouldn't be. Part of being in the military is sacrifice, doing your job in an excellent manner (not just doing your job), all the extra duties that come with that service to include leadership duties, and troop leading duties. I don't mean to offend anyone when I say this but if certain people can't handle all the duties required of the position, this is not the organization for you. There is nothing wrong with only doing 4 years in the military and moving on to a civilian career.
We have created this large military machine in this country and the money is flowing very freely now. Are we really hurting for capable volunteers who are smart enough to complete a technical task and have the intestinal fortitude and abilities to lead. Most think that we have to have uniformed personnel doing everything associated with the military but then we complain when we have to do everything. I completely understand that military service and extended military service is not for everyone and it shouldn't be. Part of being in the military is sacrifice, doing your job in an excellent manner (not just doing your job), all the extra duties that come with that service to include leadership duties, and troop leading duties. I don't mean to offend anyone when I say this but if certain people can't handle all the duties required of the position, this is not the organization for you. There is nothing wrong with only doing 4 years in the military and moving on to a civilian career.
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Being compliant enough to lead another is part of your duty I think if they do bring a pay chart like this about it would be a cluster fuck all the way around with no incentive to be better at team building skills...
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Not everyone has the capability of been a leader, so these guys should be groomed early if they intend to be career soldiers
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As a soldier you are to lead if you don't want to lead get out and be a contractor. Nco's are the back bone of the Army you geat money based on responsibility. If you just want to be a tech and not lead get out.
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All hard stripes would have to complete an NCO training course. If you wear E6 SSGT Stripes I would expect you to be able to take over if I was wounded. If you don’t want the responsibility then let someone have it that does. I was a squad leader as an E5 sgt and was promoted to E6 ssgt and no change of duties except more responsibility if my Platoon sgt was wounded I was his replacement if something happened to him
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SpeedyFive might be worth bringing back. Very few were ever above that. The way I see it, the only reason to have SP4 was to keep them n the duty roster as privates while paying them more. But SP5 went on the same roster as SGTs.
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No need for restructure,these days rank seems to be earned easier. Took me 4 years to make E4. These young people seem to advance easily. Maybe I'm just old or they're genius's.
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I didnt know the spc rank use to be like that. I mean when yer at the top of the spc rank your sham powers must be amazingly strong. You could tell every detail to fuck off. You no longer have to sneak and hide, they would have to allow us use of the secret teleporters for instant shams. Lol.
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The specialist ranks in the Army ended up having to pull the same duties, attend the same common core training, and perform many leadership duties as hard stripe NCOs. The lines were blurred so much that it almost didn't matter between the two. Remember, specialist ranks beyond E-4 were dictated by MOS. Why should a generator mechanic go the specialist rank but the turret mechanic go the hard stripe route? Your MOS does not dictate what kind of leader you are or will become. Leave the SPC5 and above ranks in the past.
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I do believe that we should pay the people that have excelled in their given field. BUT, a SPEC 7 has no business in a combat line company. Having a CPL giving commands to a SPEC 7 will never work. It didn’t before you can’t create units made up of just SPEC, who would lead them. Though I’ve heard that thy have put Warrent Officers in Learership rolls now.
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