Posted on Jun 12, 2017
In today's modern military, would there be any benefit to an enlisted structure similar to that of the past?
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I believe that most, if not all of us, are familiar with the old army enlisted rank structure where one could go their entire career without ever becoming an NCO, but still make it up through the paygrades. We all have known people who were great at their jobs but not fit to lead. Is there any benefit to bringing back such an enlisted rank structure?
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When I entered the service in 1966 there were soldiers up to a Sp-7 in Food Service, medical, and maintenance. They were the technical experts. I see no reason to not have the ranks again!
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Current rank structure in the Army is okay. The other services get along okay with theirs, so I see no need to bring back the spec5s,6s etc.u
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I say yes bring them back but pay them 20% less otherwise most servicemen will go that route and you'll end up with too Indians not enough chiefs.
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All people should be given the opportunity to achieve a position where they are delivering their highest and best use. For some, that is not to be a leader. Having a career track where promotion equals the opportunity for greater technical, non-leadership related challenges.
At a point where DoD cyber communities are contemplating recruiting top talent at the E-7 and O-6 level simply for their technical skill, perhaps it is time for the Service Chiefs to consider a technical promotion path...
At a point where DoD cyber communities are contemplating recruiting top talent at the E-7 and O-6 level simply for their technical skill, perhaps it is time for the Service Chiefs to consider a technical promotion path...
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So I think there are benefits to brining this back. I seen a SPC do there job better than a SSG just because you are a SSG don't mean you can do your job or even a CSM I know that solder said I don't want to be a SGT or anything like that because I like doing my job that's what I hear a lot I get told by solders that they would rather stay a SPC now if we did bring these ranks back it would help keep those solders in that love there MOS because I do see it my self NCO's do not do there job anywhere near as much because they do have to do other things I'm not saying anything about being an NCO but being an NCO is not for everyone there are solders that just don't want that but that's all I really have to say is maybe it wouldn't be bad to bring back at all I think in the long run it would help
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I never understood that old specialist system. I thought all of us were specialists in our field anyway. However on the flip side I've never liked the up or out system. How high in rankbone goes should be at the discretion of the individual. I'm Navy and saw quite a few E5s coming up on 20 years. One common theme existed here. Those members were happy as front line supervisors. People who are content with what they do tend to be more well adjusted to their position. If I had a member lets say that was an E4 and operated boats and hes performance is 4.0 why put him in a position he knows he cant run with? It is important to be happy in one's work is a quote from the movie The Bridge on the River Kwai. Movie or not I believe it holds true. It certainly does in the civilian world where one can be a bank teller for 30 years and happily retire. The services spend beaucoup money training us. Throwing away good material is foolish.
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I’m young in the military so my say might not say so, but, I think yes definitely. Either some people may not be “meant” to lead, others just may not want to. Those who just want to do their job without the supervision type and plus responsibilities should be allowed imo. Especially if it means keeping many more people in if that’s a major issue
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Yeah, I was a Spec 5 Senior Tank Driver in 85 before they did away with the rank and made everyone hard stripe. Then I was reassigned as a tank gunner. The inequities of the position were they would assign me to do lower enlisted duties or supervise them. Sometimes I would be CQ or Sergeant of the Guard or a guard or CQ runner. Perhaps the Army should consider career E-4’s if someone does not want to be a leader and be a career tank driver. They can call them Senior Specalists or something. ;). The German Army has them. Either way I do not see a benefit and besides in the Army one should expect to lead if they want the rank and pay.
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