Posted on Jun 12, 2017
SGT Joseph Gunderson
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I believe that most, if not all of us, are familiar with the old army enlisted rank structure where one could go their entire career without ever becoming an NCO, but still make it up through the paygrades. We all have known people who were great at their jobs but not fit to lead. Is there any benefit to bringing back such an enlisted rank structure?
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MSG Robert Ford
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Yes I was in the army when they had SPc 7... 8 and 9 had already been done away with... they went to lead follow or get out... it is about cost...
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SSG Bruce Janes
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I thought the whole purpose was for the non-combative MOS’s
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1SG Dan Nichols
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SFC Combat Engineer
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PO2 Charles Kokel
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The sea services that how you advance it you switch rates you get dropped back to E4
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SSgt Max Gonzales
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Thank you SGT. Joseph Gunderson.
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SPC JeffRhey Bell
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You can mentor without being "in charge". You can be the best at your mos and not be a leader. You shouldn't have to choose between warrant Officer or NCO.
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COL William Oseles
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Back when you had the Specialist Ranks in the senior levels they had Pro Pay which compensated the technicians for their advanced technical skills when they could not be promoted higher. This was resented by the Hard Stripes that a 'non-leader' was getting paid more than they were. Just as you had Specialists (And Techs) that would not make good leaders, many to most of the "Leaders" did not have the mind set to master the technical details. Also the Specialist ranks were effectively killed by the Up or Out mentality that came to run our military.
To bring back the Specialist/Tech ranks would require a fundamental change of both pay and retention. There were individuals that served their entire career in the lower specialist ranks but were VERY good at what they did.
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SSG Marshall Paul
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I joined the army in 67. We still had a few career privates. I only knew one personally. What was wrong with that?
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CW3 Kevin Storm
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Yes, with the need for skilled technicians there needs to be a structure to address that, or we lose them, and lose them fast to the civilian world.
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