Posted on Oct 21, 2015
Is 39 training days good enough for the National Guard and Reserves?
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So the First Army Boss is stating that the Reserves, to include the National Guard, don't have enough time for training. I think the 39 days a years is not horrible. You really can never get enough training but I don't think that took some of our systems into consideration. If you look at a Armored Brigade Combat Team you have a lot of moving parts. Getting your soldiers from various Armories throughout the state and to then to get them to their vehicles so they can do a gunnery is extremely difficult. Gunneries are usually left to do at an Annual Training when you can have more time but then that takes a lot of resources and that is pretty much all that you will do.
Keep in mind that the First Army is viewing as a means to mobilize and deploy reserve forces quicker. They are focusing on their ability to deploy in a short time frame.
What is your experience with this?
Keep in mind that the First Army is viewing as a means to mobilize and deploy reserve forces quicker. They are focusing on their ability to deploy in a short time frame.
What is your experience with this?
Edited 10 y ago
Posted 10 y ago
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No. Never has been, never will be. As long as we are mandated to complete so much 'check the box' training, so many days doing LHI events, as long as we don't have the resources and equipment to complete training, and as long as Annual Training is more of the same, we will always be behind on training.
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I would bet sir the training limitations are due to financial restrictions as well the ramp up time needed again a cost cutting measure. If anything there could possibly be a reallocation of funds to allow more training for certain combat arms units to expedite the mobilization of some reserve units. However more that likely instead of increased funding the money would be taken from non-critical supporting units. However not so sure of the benefits of sharpening one edge of the sword yet neglecting the other.
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did they get rid of the quarterly 100% piss tests since I left - that took a lot of time. As I remember the worst training time was home station drills on Superbowl Sunday, Indy 500, playoffs, playoffs, playoffs.
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CPT (Join to see) 39 days of training would not cut it at McDonald's so I don't see how it can be enough to train soldiers. Especially reserve soldiers who are going to go back to their regular day to day routine. 39 days of basic training maybe for a regular army soldier who is going to build on that and continue on to more schooling, duty stations, and deployment. When I went into the Navy, I was in boot camp for two and half months, and that was just boot camp.
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COL Ronald Diana
Well is it basic training and AIT that you are talking about or the yearly training cycle that units do? That is in fact a different subject. Reservist and National Guard personnel do a standard BCT/AIT/OSUT that there MOS requires. This annual/yearly training cycle is designed to maintain skills after they have learned them. A smart unit commander decides on training events that builds on what they have already received. While the CDR should know what skills, especially collective tasks, need to be trained after MOB this training is often times either overshadowed by the Theater Commanders desires or blended in to meet both the unit's mission set and Theater CDR's requirements.
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In my opinion the Reserves and National Guard should be getting a heck of a lot more then now. If we are going to depend on both the Reserves and the National Guard to defend this Country and it's people then we better do more even with less personnel and monies and concentrate our efforts in helping these folks. S/F, JK
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During my last few years in a lot of training was shifted to online computer modules, for NCO's much of this is done at home with no pay. Give the troops retirement points for schools completed on their own time. It will pay them back when the time comes and free up time in the unit. SHARP training for example is something that pops all the time. Do these briefings at home for points and it would free up a lot of time and the training could be standardized for all Units Nation Wide
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I was primarily Guard from 1980-1993. Several extended active tours. My experience was that the Guard did individual training through Battalion level training as well or better than their active counterparts. IMHO, the Guard did not do as well at Brigade and above. Perhaps the answer would be a bi-annual or tri-annual brigade FTX of 2-3 weeks. Leave remainder of training time as is. You can also accomplish a lot more training if your training cycles include MUTA-5's, including Friday night. This frees up all of Saturday and Sunday for more training in lieu of transportation to / from the training area.
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The answer is "No".
Now plenty of people in the Guard or Reserve may disagree, but I guarantee most of them never saw active duty, so their idea on what "length of training should be" is very limited. Mind you I am not undermining the NG. Many soldiers within the NG are former active duty and have a better understanding of what active duty training cycles and NG training cycles cover. During my time active duty, we have countless field training (most of it live fire too). If we had trained only one weekend a month and a 15-30 day training cycle a year (JRTC/NTC), we would not have been as effective in our operations as we were with the extra time in those FTX's.
The best and most effective people in their careers fields never stop training. They take whatever time they have and use it to somehow better their training. Sure, we have death by PowerPoint which gives us an idea, but until we actually go out there and run that knowledge through physical scenarios to see how we act and how we think under that pressure, we are only hurting ourselves and our soldiers. If we weren't out rucking it 5-10 miles to our ranges to stay out there for the week, due to beyond crappy weather, we were in the barracks, gym, or in the surrounding fields near by making sure we took something away from what we trained.
Training never stops, nor should it. I can understand how being in the NG there are some issues involved with training. Working a full time civilian job to pay the bills is one of them. When you're not out on your 15-30 day training, you're receiving a sliver of a paycheck to your budget. But, in your off time from our civilian job, you should be taking advantage of that time to find training courses to help you in your military job. Go to the range, take some intermediate or advance courses, enroll in an EMT course, whatever the hell your job entails, there are courses that can help you advance your knowledge and physical experience outside of the military. Its not just the military's job to better you as a soldier, its an individuals responsibility to better yourself any way you could.
Now plenty of people in the Guard or Reserve may disagree, but I guarantee most of them never saw active duty, so their idea on what "length of training should be" is very limited. Mind you I am not undermining the NG. Many soldiers within the NG are former active duty and have a better understanding of what active duty training cycles and NG training cycles cover. During my time active duty, we have countless field training (most of it live fire too). If we had trained only one weekend a month and a 15-30 day training cycle a year (JRTC/NTC), we would not have been as effective in our operations as we were with the extra time in those FTX's.
The best and most effective people in their careers fields never stop training. They take whatever time they have and use it to somehow better their training. Sure, we have death by PowerPoint which gives us an idea, but until we actually go out there and run that knowledge through physical scenarios to see how we act and how we think under that pressure, we are only hurting ourselves and our soldiers. If we weren't out rucking it 5-10 miles to our ranges to stay out there for the week, due to beyond crappy weather, we were in the barracks, gym, or in the surrounding fields near by making sure we took something away from what we trained.
Training never stops, nor should it. I can understand how being in the NG there are some issues involved with training. Working a full time civilian job to pay the bills is one of them. When you're not out on your 15-30 day training, you're receiving a sliver of a paycheck to your budget. But, in your off time from our civilian job, you should be taking advantage of that time to find training courses to help you in your military job. Go to the range, take some intermediate or advance courses, enroll in an EMT course, whatever the hell your job entails, there are courses that can help you advance your knowledge and physical experience outside of the military. Its not just the military's job to better you as a soldier, its an individuals responsibility to better yourself any way you could.
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LTC Stephen B.
Hate to burst your bubble, but a huge number of NG and Reserve personnel have prior active duty service, and a large portion have deployed one or more times (saw active duty) and would be quite able to assess whether or not the training time adequately prepared them.
As I posted earlier, it depends on the goal (readiness level) being achieved. RC units get additional training at mob sites where they can train as large formation not possible at home station. No one will say the 39 days by itself is adequate to deploy down range. The question is: is it enough to get to and then thru the mobilization site? Most combat arms units also get extra pre-mob days to get to platoon/company level proficiency and complete an NTC or similar exercise prior to mobilization. As long as the Army supports the full doctrine they saddle the RCs with, it is workable. When Army reneges as they did in 2001-2002, all bets are off.
If a million-man standing army (with all the base structure and equipment sets included) is too expensive, the options are to have a draft and bring in completely untrained individuals, run a shake-and bake operation and send them piecemeal into combat (e.g. WWII-style individual replacements), or maintain RCs that have a base level training foundation that can be quickly built upon.
As I posted earlier, it depends on the goal (readiness level) being achieved. RC units get additional training at mob sites where they can train as large formation not possible at home station. No one will say the 39 days by itself is adequate to deploy down range. The question is: is it enough to get to and then thru the mobilization site? Most combat arms units also get extra pre-mob days to get to platoon/company level proficiency and complete an NTC or similar exercise prior to mobilization. As long as the Army supports the full doctrine they saddle the RCs with, it is workable. When Army reneges as they did in 2001-2002, all bets are off.
If a million-man standing army (with all the base structure and equipment sets included) is too expensive, the options are to have a draft and bring in completely untrained individuals, run a shake-and bake operation and send them piecemeal into combat (e.g. WWII-style individual replacements), or maintain RCs that have a base level training foundation that can be quickly built upon.
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Being a reservist I don't believe we get enough actual training time. A couple times a year we go into the field and do weapons Qual. And then there is AT. Other than that it's just paperwork. I understand that paperwork must be completed but when the paperwork outweighs the training something is wrong.
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I think 39 days would be sufficient if some of the ancillary training was either changed to "on-time/as-needed", moved to a two or three-year cycle, or dramatically redesigned. This would provide a greater ability of members to focus on the core competencies of their career field. For those who want to go deeper and wider, there are usually additional days available. Of course, there are always exercises and schools folks can attend (when active duty makes them available). If you can get folks to go to them.
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