Posted on Sep 17, 2018
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I know what the regulation states, and that is that E-5 through E-8 (except for 1SG) is addressed as Sergeant. However, I continually see soldiers addressing MSGs by their full rank. Is it a sign of higher respect for the rank they earned, or is just being extra? I can see both sides of the argument - regulation vs respect towards the rank they have obtained - I want to hear all your thoughts!
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LCDR Chaplain Corps Officer
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What I was taught coming up as a young PFC and SPC, was that continually calling someone by their full rank was a sign that you respected the rank, but not the person wearing it.
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GySgt Keith Rininger
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I don't know about what Master Sergeants/1st Sergeants think, but if anyone called me Sergeant, my size 11 foot would be in their ass! I was a Sergeant as an E-5, no one had dared call me anything other than Gunny or Gunnery Sergeant as an E-7. I know I always used the proper rank when I addressed anyone else in the Military, Private through Officer ranks.
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PO1 Robert Wikert
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Same thing with Senior Chiefs and Master Chiefs in the Navy too. Never address a Master Chief as just Chief, not if you like your ass in it's normal condition anyway...
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Ok Gunny, but this is clearly not an Army regulation. I always referred to a MSG by their full rank out of respect not because they demanded it. If they demand something that is not in the regs they don’t deserve the respect or the extra title.
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SMSgt Jeff Kyle
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I’m not Army but I am a Senior Master Sgt, USAF, Retired. The honorific for an E-8 in the Air Force is Sgt, Senior Master Sgt or just Senior. Occasionally I’ve even had someone call me Top. All were acceptable. I really never got into the nitty gritty on proper rank addressing. I’m a helicopter Crew Chief, we don’t usually stand on proper decorum. First name, last name, handle, doesn’t much matter with day-to-day business. Only time protocol is strictly enforced is/was during formal functions, where officers were in the immediate area or when junior ranking personnel are getting “instructed” on proper behavior. I think that happened twice in my 25 years?
Best way to answer the question is to follow the rules. You can never go wrong when following the book.
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MSG Loren Tomblin
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I served with a Captain that made it to MG. Every time I saw him he addressed me a "Top". If he were in the hallway at FORSCOM talking to others officers he would always step over to me to say hello. Now that I felt was great respect. Just a little tidbit for you to consider when addressing someone. Meanings are in people not words but, it is always situational. I have been retired 34 years and times have certainly moved on.
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MSG Tom Behan
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By reg MSG are addressed as Sargeant. Out of respect most will call an MSG - Master Sargeant. I have been called Master Sargeant by CSM, SGM,COL, LTC, CPT, LT, SGT, WO, and many of the additional ranks. Respect is earned and I have seen and heard some MSG addressed as SGT.
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MSG Tom Behan
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In addition. Some prefer to be called Sargeant. They can not require you to call them Master Sargeant. Though I preferred to be called Master Sargeant,. I answered to both. I
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1SG Dave McWilliams
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When I was a 1SG I didn’t mind people calling me Top but for the period before retirement and after my change of responsibility to MSG I was ok with SGT when addressing me .. either way didn’t bother me
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MSG Transportation Senior Sergeant
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Call me either, just don’t forget either.
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MSG Chuck Odom
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I never cared one way the other (just don't call me sarge). Back when I was on active duty (during the stone age) a Master Sergeant was addressed as Sergeant but referred to as Master Sergeant (i.e., Go see Master Sergeant Odom.)
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SGT Matthew S.
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The regulation says "Sergeant", but I don't know if you'd call it tradition, SOP, or something else as to why the few MSGs I was around were always addressed by full rank. I always figured somewhere along the line it had to do with both MSG and 1SG being the same paygrade, but I couldn't honestly say one way or another.
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SGT Mike Bemis
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I always called e-8's and 9's "top"
if we had a decent working relationship. I feel like using the full title is a bit unnecessary during day to day operations. If they're around other ranking people that I don't know, then the full title comes out to show that they have the respect of their soldiers.
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